State of Emergency: The Third World Invasion and Conquest of America

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#351
I will ask again....and I will even focus on this subject alone. Do you feel that all illegal action in this case should be prosecuted?
 
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J.Quest said:
Actually, they aren't legal in Iran, but nice try. Although they do take place and continue to take place legally in certain parts of the world, this has nothing to do with illegal immigration. Whether I agree or disagree with honor killings is irrelevent. I don't agree with a lot of things that are considered illegal, but that doesn't amount to much more than a personal opinion...they are still illegal.

By the way...you failed to address the texan who felt it was morally ok to kill her 5 sons.
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I believe she is going to hell for it. I believe that she believes she is going to hell. However, I also believe she was mentally insane when she did it, therefore, she had absolutely no moral system in place.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
I will ask again....and I will even focus on this subject alone. Do you feel that all illegal action in this case should be prosecuted?
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Illegal immigration is illegal...Illegal activities get prosecuted. What's you point?
 
#354
#354
Do you only want to punish the illegals or do you want to round up every American who is hiring these people as well?
 
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#358
Here are some famous "outlaws" for those of you who believe that legality trumps everything else, and I will keep the list short so that you can rebut each one:
Rosa Parks
Ghandi
Anne Frank
Elie Weisel
 
#359
#359
Heheheheheheh.................

I do not believe illegal is illegal.........

I heart shuttered when I read the name Elie Weisel......
 
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therealUT said:
Of course it is. That is like stating "red is red" or "blue is blue." However, legality is not synonymous with morality. Therefore, something can be legal and wrong as well as something can be illegal and right.
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Very true. But I don't think requiring some sort of systematic process for citizenship is immoral.
 
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#361
Again, are you prepared to start rounding up every American who is hiring illegals? Allowing them jobs? Living quarters? Etc. You'll be shutting down quite a few companies and sending a lot of people off to jail.
 
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You'll be shutting down quite a few companies and sending a lot of people off to jail.
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On a positive note, think of all the construction jobs that would open up when we would have to build new jails. Oops, I forgot, all of the labor would be in jail. Wait, we could force them to build our/their jails for no money!

Ah the heck with it, turn this country into snakeville and have LA and NY City be prisons!
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Again, are you prepared to start rounding up every American who is hiring illegals? Allowing them jobs? Living quarters? Etc. You'll be shutting down quite a few companies and sending a lot of people off to jail.
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If you are speaking to me, where in the comment about wanting a systematic approach to citizenship did I say any of this? I will not be shutting anyone's business down, if they have a poorly run business it will faulter for that reason.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Again, are you prepared to start rounding up every American who is hiring illegals? Allowing them jobs? Living quarters? Etc. You'll be shutting down quite a few companies and sending a lot of people off to jail.
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So? "You made your bed...now sleep in it!" Accountability and responsibility are two ideals that get glossed over in our society for the sake of being politically correct and trying to make everyone hold hands and sing Kumbaya.
 
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#367
Don't jump on me for that. All I'm asking is if you were also holding the same principles to the Americans who are also breaking these same laws.

If you deport those who work in a factory, you hurt that factory and they will be subject to needing to close down. If you are applying the same standard of punishing illegal action to those Americans who are breaking these same laws, then you risk shutting down local economies and putting quite a few people behind bars or clogging up the courts.

I'm not saying I am for or against this. I am only pointing out that too many people are warped on this issue thinking they can just deport those illegals and not realizing that there are much greater consequences as well. Many of these same knee-jerk types don't realize that if you're the 'punish ALL illegal' action you have to punish those flag-waving Americans who are doing this as well. Most of the whole discussion by the "get tough" crowd ignores actually punishing the American citizens who are breaking their own nation's laws. In effect, any legislation that ignores the Americans who are breaking the law is in fact AMNESTY itself. To those peope I would say why is amnesty to illegals wrong but amnesty to Americans right?
 
#368
#368
Sometimes in order to make things better, you have to make them worse. Arresting and deporting is a necessary and legal avenue to take in order to get back to baseline.
 
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J.Quest said:
Sometimes in order to make things better, you have to make them worse. Arresting and deporting is a necessary and legal avenue to take in order to get back to baseline.
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Exactly what are you getting back to, Johnny Quest???
 
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OneManGang said:
OK, then we'll just let the next tribe of illegals/vagrants/"po' and shif'less" that comes along park a rusty 12-wide on your front yard for however long they want and move in with the youg'uns, gramps, memaw, and forty-'leven cur dogs. If national borders are meaningless and "land is land, it belongs to no one" you have no grounds to object. Not when they use YOUR water line. Not when they connect to YOUR electricity. And certainly not when they dump their sewage in your driveway. After all, despite what the local government, 1000 years of western tradition, the United States Constitution, and the land-use laws of your state say - according your reasoning - anything they do is just fine and dandy, it's not YOUR property anyway. You just PAID for it.

Just don't come crying to me when the cur dogs start humping your leg.
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somehow in the midst of all the fun, i missed this jewel of a reply. for the record i rent my house, so it is most certainly not mine.

electricity are utilities, not land, and certainly not a part of any land i "own." so yeah, i would have a right to gripe if they parked in my front yard and hooked into it. i will probably always refuse to buy land, then again i am a dirty commie.
 
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J.Quest said:
Why would I arrest Americans who are in the country legally?
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So let me get this straight. You say punish all illegal actions but you would not punish the Americans who are hiring the illegals? Isn't that a little hypocritical of you?
 
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CSpindizzy said:
So let me get this straight. You say punish all illegal actions but you would not punish the Americans who are hiring the illegals? Isn't that a little hypocritical of you?
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Dead thread...moving on...illegal is illegal. Take it for what it is. If you want to hire illegals and can get away with it, then power to you.
 
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