State Of The Union 2024

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#401
Look at Biden in the picture below. He's an angry little elf sitting on a shelf.
Looked as though he was/is mentally disturbed too by the way he kept yelling all night.

 
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whodeycin85 said:
There is no proof of that....the question shouldn't be what he like as a person. It should be what does he do for America and Americans..and the proof of poll show Trump is better for America despite being a crappy person..where as Biden is crappy as POTUS and a person
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There are multiple factors to consider and the resulting short-tern and long-term impact.

The majority of voters see through the prism of the immediate personal $ impact - which is how we ended up here.
 
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Jackcrevol said:
I think that is a legitimate complaint about their admin.

When dust settles, we can write it down that last two Presidents are/were two of the worst in our Nation's short history.

How we only get to choose between a rich 80 yo, and a rich 77 yo is sad. And, in many respects infuriating. Talk about disenfranchisement. The lower white and upper middle/elite whites feel disenfranchised by Dems.

How do we middle class, workers feel? Certainly dont feel any representation. Meanwhile, no viable third party candidate.

We are the only developed Country with no third party. Pendulum only swings far left or right. In a Country of 332 Million. We get these two jackasses.

Fundamentally, I have to choose the person who I can tolerate more than the other.

They are both of them, self serving, elitist aholes. And it sucks. I dont know the answer other than major campaign finance reform & banning electoral college.

But for those reasons, I'm out. And I think a lot of people agree.
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It isn't just whites. Blacks are still suffering as well (or Americans in general). I hate the entire black/white comparison anyways. We are all Americans. I live in a mixed race family now so it is a big deal to me.

All Americans are suffering right now and there isn't any answers from either side. Trump at least shakes things up so people vote for him because of that even though he really isn't the greatest or aligned with my views as well. The fact that the media goes after him so hard is what turns people onto Trump.

I do think Trump is losing it like Biden though based on recent speeches that I have heard from him.
 
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turbovol said:
Lumping Biden with the sinister, deeply corrupt criminal on the other side is crazy, dude. Seriously.
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They both need to retire. It's what's best for our Country. While we're ranting today. Need to limit terms for Senators, SCOTUS, and give people back their right to choose over their own bodies.

Lastly, anyone who attempts to overthrow our Govt, is jailed. Period.
 
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luthervol said:
There are multiple factors to consider and the resulting short-tern and long-term impact.

The majority of voters see through the prism of the immediate personal $ impact - which is how we ended up here.
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Funny you talk immediate vs long term...Dems couldnt wait to get Trymp out despite his policies benefiting America and Americans long and short term...but the Dems hate has set us back years...both domestically and internationally which will take long term to recover
 
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volbound1700 said:
It isn't just whites. Blacks are still suffering as well (or Americans in general). I hate the entire black/white comparison anyways. We are all Americans. I live in a mixed race family now so it is a big deal to me.

All Americans are suffering right now and there isn't any answers from either side. Trump at least shakes things up so people vote for him because of that even though he really isn't the greatest or aligned with my views as well. The fact that the media goes after him so hard is what turns people onto Trump.

I do think Trump is losing it like Biden though based on recent speeches that I have heard from him.
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Trump is a narcissistic megalomaniac. Much like a child he leans on emotion, and reactivity to make decisions. That is NOT a good thing for a leader, purported leader. May work well in business, but not in Govt.
 
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Jackcrevol said:
Trump is a narcissistic megalomaniac. Much like a child he leans on emotion, and reactivity to make decisions. That is NOT a good thing for a leader, purported leader. May work well in business, but not in Govt.
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My big issue with Trump is that he doesn't listen well to different opinions, doesn't do his homework (often treats government like business and doesn't really care about laws or rules that limit your power), and he isn't professional.

A HUGE part of the Presidential is the image the President portrays. He could have "good" politics but how a President presents himself creates unity and confidence in people (or should). Neither of these guys do it. Obama had horrible policies but he was far more professional than Trump for example.
 
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volbound1700 said:
It isn't just whites. Blacks are still suffering as well (or Americans in general). I hate the entire black/white comparison anyways. We are all Americans. I live in a mixed race family now so it is a big deal to me.

All Americans are suffering right now and there isn't any answers from either side. Trump at least shakes things up so people vote for him because of that even though he really isn't the greatest or aligned with my views as well. The fact that the media goes after him so hard is what turns people onto Trump.

I do think Trump is losing it like Biden though based on recent speeches that I have heard from him.
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I cannot speak or opine on thoughts of Black Americans, since I'm not black. Nor are any of my family members. I do however respect and try to arm myself with knowledge of those who may live differently, or more specifically a traditionally marginalized group, sect, whatever.

Respect. Its a word that gets thrown around. Empathy, is another. Do we actually use those things?

Sitting in car at a light. Mid day. Adult male, and female - cig in hand, pajamas on. Pull
up in a car next to me. Look over, flag stuck in sun roof, flying overhead reading '**** Joe Biden.'

I'm just thankful my children weren't with me. To me, this embodies so many things that are wrong with our Country.
 
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#414
I listened to the whole thing, unlike most here slinging mud. There were some parts Joe struggled to get through, but all in all I thought it was a great speech. Definitely better and more coherent than I have heard Trump recently.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Funny you talk immediate vs long term...Dems couldnt wait to get Trymp out despite his policies benefiting America and Americans long and short term...but the Dems hate has set us back years...both domestically and internationally which will take long term to recover
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We simply disagree.
 
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volbound1700 said:
My big issue with Trump is that he doesn't listen well to different opinions, doesn't do his homework (often treats government like business and doesn't really care about laws or rules that limit your power), and he isn't professional.

A HUGE part of the Presidential is the image the President portrays. He could have "good" politics but how a President presents himself creates unity and confidence in people (or should). Neither of these guys do it. Obama had horrible policies but he was far more professional than Trump for example.
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Did Obama have horrible policies?

Wall Street reform, protection for consumers. all while acting the part and carrying himself way a President/leader of the free World should.

ACA was his black eye.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
I listened to the whole thing, unlike most here slinging mud. There were some parts Joe struggled to get through, but all in all I thought it was a great speech. Definitely better and more coherent than I have heard Trump recently.
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LOL. He's an angry old codger who was spewing lies after lies as usual. You sat there and lapped it up as a kiss ass would do & gave his angry hateful speech full approval like a dolt..
 
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Jackcrevol said:
I cannot speak or opine on thoughts of Black Americans, since I'm not black. Nor are any of my family members. I do however respect and try to arm myself with knowledge of those who may live differently, or more specifically a traditionally marginalized group, sect, whatever.

Respect. Its a word that gets thrown around. Empathy, is another. Do we actually use those things?

Sitting in car at a light. Mid day. Adult male, and female - cig in hand, pajamas on. Pull
up in a car next to me. Look over, flag stuck in sun roof, flying overhead reading '**** Joe Biden.'

I'm just thankful my children weren't with me. To me, this embodies so many things that are wrong with our Country.
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Yeah, I don't typically have political paraphernalia on any of my vehicles. It is the same argument for the Confederate Flag (which, ironically, wasn't the official Confederate flag but a battle flag). I can understand the push to get rid of the Confederate paraphernalia because, in my view, it evokes KKK and Segregation as much as it does the Civil War.
 
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turbovol said:
Does the government oppress you in some way? Why do you think American has always been a /great country/? Government! Our system. Unsuccessful countries have bad governments. What did our founders do? They created a governing system for this country that made us great and has stood the test of time.
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I don't look at a white dude in 2024 and blame him for slavery, I also don't give current politicians credit for creating our system of government. I agree it was a great system but after years and years of manipulating it and adding more and more power to the fed, today's current government is nothing like what was intended. So no I don't love the government. It's just a conglomerate of out of touch, rich bureaucrats who serve their own self interests.
 
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Jackcrevol said:
Did Obama have horrible policies?

Wall Street reform, protection for consumers. all while acting the part and carrying himself way a President/leader of the free World should.

ACA was his black eye.
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High Spending (even some of the debt obtained by Trump and Biden are traced to him), Anti-Religious behavior (I am a devout Christian and believe the words of the Bible. You take your nation away from God, God will mess your nation up. I think that is exactly the issue right now in the USA), bad foreign policy decisions (red-line in Syria, Libya, escalation in Yemen, etc.), Obama Care (you already brought that up), Enforce No Child Left Behind and Started Common Core, anti-small business (this is where Trump gets a lot of love, in fact this is the base that supports Trump the most), and strict cuts/limitations on our military that weakened our armed forces (this last one is debatable).

EDIT: Also he helped create some of the immigration issues. The state department really cracked down on legal immigration which helped push a rise in illegal immigration (we are dealing with that). Obama also continued most of the bad polices Bush Sr. started even though he ran against a lot of the policies. Finally, there is a lot of election fraud tactics around members of his administration (not himself). Not sure if that is on Obama or not, more on Democratic party. However, a lot of that started when he was President. I am talking about situation in local elections including weaponizing media/government bodies to go after political opposition.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Yeah, I don't typically have political paraphernalia on any of my vehicles. It is the same argument for the Confederate Flag (which, ironically, wasn't the official Confederate flag but a battle flag). I can understand the push to get rid of the Confederate paraphernalia because, in my view, it evokes KKK and Segregation as much as it does the Civil War.
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Getting rid of it will only inspire and galvanize the collectively emotional and child like capacities of those who feel compelled to connect with it. Despite the very socially constructed meaning it carries. Feeling any connection to something that we zero part in is just dumb.

That said, it's one thing to change name of 'Jeff Davis Park' to 'Maya Angelou Park' or some such. But to rip down monuments is such a waste of time and money.

meanwhile there are children sitting in 100° temps waiting to see an immigration judge in a broken system.
 
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