Status of Coach Willie Martinez

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Hank Bukowski said:
Sorry but I’m not buying that. Being a great recruiter means little when you can’t coach the kids up to SEC-quality DBs. Also, why the mass exodus of our secondary players in the last few weeks? They voted with their feet. Martinez has had three years to build an SEC-quality secondary. We don’t have one. And now it seems we are starting over in Martinez’s fourth year. We may be looking at another year of our DBs getting burned frequently.
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How about you get back with us if and when that happens and not until. Really need to see a trend analysis with the current rooms after the mass exodus of guys that were here or could be added in the early NCAA Hammer potential years. Still not a room full of big time no-brainers that won't show up without some positive trends on film, but should be more versatile and productive. It seems pretty clear to a lot of folks that the powers that be think the biggest part of the problem is no longer here after the portal actions. ONLY time will tell. Rehashing personal assumptions not so much.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
NOPE, the red flags are and have been the intelligence and loyalty of FANS that make pronouncements on this situation with their stands and living room perspectives instead of accepting that our AD, HC, and DC get to see every player, and every rep and decide the responsibility for the generally accepted unacceptable level of on field performance and the best solution path.

Arrogance is what it is and has it’s costs on fields and boards. Changing a position coach WITH the level of turnover they orchestrated in those rooms COULD have been assessed a bad risk with worse odds AT THIS TIME.

REDUNDANCY does not really change the questions or the facts. Repackaging a message to attain a status of if you say it enough it must be true ALSO is what it is.
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I get it. You have this belief that our coaching staff can do no wrong. While I will fully admit everyone on our staff has for gotten more football then I will ever know, I have two eyes and ears. I can read stats. I can watch our DBs routinely miss tackles, be out of position, be terrible at fundamentals and get torched. You obviously cannot. The secondary has been bad since Martinez took over.

If you can’t see that Martinez isn’t a good coach then I don’t know what to tell you. Plenty of head coaches evaluate their staff and replace them. Kelly and Napier have done it. Saban and Smart have done it. In my opinion, which is no better than yours, it’s a red flag that Heupel refuses to at least TRY and upgrade some position coaches. You can disagree or agree. Frankly I don’t care. But my opinion on this matter hasn’t hurt nor helped this team.
 
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He may be a great recruiter, but the back door is wide open. What does it say about him if most of his players leave? Our pass defense is going to remain abysmally bad.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I get it. You have this belief that our coaching staff can do no wrong. While I will fully admit everyone on our staff has for gotten more football then I will ever know, I have two eyes and ears. I can read stats. I can watch our DBs routinely miss tackles, be out of position, be terrible at fundamentals and get torched. You obviously cannot. The secondary has been bad since Martinez took over.

If you can’t see that Martinez isn’t a good coach then I don’t know what to tell you. Plenty of head coaches evaluate their staff and replace them. Kelly and Napier have done it. Saban and Smart have done it. In my opinion, which is no better than yours, it’s a red flag that Heupel refuses to at least TRY and upgrade some position coaches. You can disagree or agree. Frankly I don’t care. But my opinion on this matter hasn’t hurt nor helped this team.
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just a curious question. I don't have much opinion on WM good or bad. A staff can always be improved at every position and I know that.

Do you notice these things with other teams or just Tennessee? I've watched 230 college games this past fall and its pretty common with most teams to have some or all of those faults. A lot of the issues with DBs has to do with these offenses now and the lack of capable pressure on QBs. Outside of the elite consistent playoff teams, others have these issues. Of course those teams have great players from front to back but they still can get burned from time to time.

JMO
 
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Hank Bukowski said:
Sorry but I’m not buying that. Being a great recruiter means little when you can’t coach the kids up to SEC-quality DBs. Also, why the mass exodus of our secondary players in the last few weeks? They voted with their feet. Martinez has had three years to build an SEC-quality secondary. We don’t have one. And now it seems we are starting over in Martinez’s fourth year. We may be looking at another year of our DBs getting burned frequently.
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You really think the players in the secondary leaving was their decision?
 
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Orange-U-Glad said:
He may be a great recruiter, but the back door is wide open. What does it say about him if most of his players leave? Our pass defense is going to remain abysmally bad.
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Almost all of them left for more money. Heupel was not willing to give them what they wanted.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Not really. Doesn’t hurt though. A lot of our fans are completely clueless is what it comes down to. We’re just now starting to actually restock the kind talent to be competitive with elite programs. We’ve gone from dumpster fire to being competitive hell even beating Bama. Defense has improved every year as well even though we haven’t had much back there. I’m not saying Martinez is fantastic but he’s much better than ppl think.
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If he's as good as you say, even the less talented guys can show improvement. There comes a point where they may get beat on a play because they just aren't the athlete we need at the position, but the guys that have been In the system the whole time he's been here have not improved and continue look the exact same. That's coaching.
 
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BigOrangeFanatic said:
If he's as good as you say, even the less talented guys can show improvement. There comes a point where they may get beat on a play because they just aren't the athlete we need at the position, but the guys that have been In the system the whole time he's been here have not improved and continue look the exact same. That's coaching.
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IMO the only true SEC talent we had was Hadden. Do you not think he improved this season prior to his injury??
 
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LWSVOL said:
just a curious question. I don't have much opinion on WM good or bad. A staff can always be improved at every position and I know that.

Do you notice these things with other teams or just Tennessee? I've watched 230 college games this past fall and its pretty common with most teams to have some or all of those faults. A lot of the issues with DBs has to do with these offenses now and the lack of capable pressure on QBs. Outside of the elite consistent playoff teams, others have these issues. Of course those teams have great players from front to back but they still can get burned from time to time.

JMO
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Just watching many other teams play, not nearly all of course, but IMO, our secondary is bad. I get what you are saying but it seems like you are just making excuses for Martinez. Why was Heupel so late in giving him a new contract? Why was he the only coach? Ask yourself that.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Just watching many other teams play, not nearly all of course, but IMO, our secondary is bad. I get what you are saying but it seems like you are just making excuses for Martinez. Why was Heupel so late in giving him a new contract? Why was he the only coach? Ask yourself that.
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Don't have to ask. He was considering retiring after this season but was convinced to stay and not retire as the season progressed.
 
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Stonewall83 said:
So I take it the head football coach was given authority to distribute the collectives money regarding who gets what?

I was under the impression it wasn’t supposed to work that way.
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They can't talk to players or recruits regarding money but do have input to how money is used.

There is no way any program could be managed if an outside source was deciding how much players were paid. That could easily destroy a program. Staff has to have some over sight and I believe the NCAA just announced a change allowing that even more.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
Heup won’t fire his buddies. I won’t be shocked when decisions like this cost him his job one day. Martinez has been a massive failure and Heupel refuses to move on from him. Major major red flag
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When we see awful production from some decent talent, then I'll go along with the 'massive failure' tag. You can't get blood from a stone, which is what trying to get solid secondary play has been like with the level of talent and all the injuries this group has had.
 
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volfan411 said:
Because it was filled with players recruited by the previous coach. Have you not watched Gibson, Thomas and Matthew’s?? All players recruited by Martinez. It was also reported that Carter had great bowl practices.

Some of you guys amaze me you either make it up in your head and chose to ignore the situation this staff inherited.
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He been 3 years so wheres his recruits been
 
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Hank Bukowski said:
Sorry but I’m not buying that. Being a great recruiter means little when you can’t coach the kids up to SEC-quality DBs. Also, why the mass exodus of our secondary players in the last few weeks? They voted with their feet. Martinez has had three years to build an SEC-quality secondary. We don’t have one. And now it seems we are starting over in Martinez’s fourth year. We may be looking at another year of our DBs getting burned frequently.
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