Stephen Hargis...Please release your "info"

[DC_Vol]

Originally Posted by Spartacavolus View Post
My 12 yr old wouldn't base his opinion of a coach over one early season game on the road against a team playing 5 or 6 NFL players on offense.



Here is the argument, since I need to spell it out for you too. No wins ever against a top 25 team. These are the records for the teams he beat and lost too the last 2 years.

W: 5-7, 3-9, 4-7, 7-5, 6-5(Fordham, FCS), 4-8, 6-6, 6-5(Del. St, FCS), 6-6, 3-8(Austin Peay, FCS), 1-11, 8-5, 4-8, 7-6, 5-7, 6-7, 6-7, 5-7, 5-7

L: 9-3, 10-2, 9-3, 5-7, 10-3, 9-4

Total record of opponents Butch Jones beat at Cincinnati: 97 – 131

Total record of opponents who beat Butch Jones at Cincinnati: 52 – 22

Now, its possible that he can now start winning against good teams, since he has the facilities and tradition that UT has. I am just pointing out the other side of coin of these Championships he has won, or tied for. I don't understand why you both are having a hard time understanding skepticism with BJ.

You're ridiculous. But watching your petulant rambling is entertainment. Almost better than the Gruden threads from the past few months.

I've seen what you've written in multiple threads on here. Just because people don't join you in your furious message board posting railing against the hire and the AD doesn't make them sheep, spin doctors, sunshine pumpers, or anything else.

You look foolish. You bought into the Gruden hype, and now are presenting the fallout as some type of conspiracy that only the truly enlightened can figure out. It's entertaining to watch...still kind of sad that you believe it.

Had Gruden wanted to be the coach here, we'd have him. As I've said many times before, he would have been a very risky hire. There's no guarantee that he would win at the college level. I think Jones chance of succeeding in Knoxville are greater than Gruden's.

I believe my opinion is similar to most on here: Jones wasn't at the top of my wishlist, but he's now the new head coach of the Vols. He deserves a shot to prove himself on the field. I'll still renew my season tickets, and I'll still make the trip to Neyland to watch a few games next year.

 

[VolForLife83]

He didn't want to come. Why can't people see that and let it go? All the people with " sources " are full of it, or their sources are one.

 

[MSCE09]

If Hargis decides to tell what he knows he'll do it in a book if he wants to make a few bucks.

Hargis could no more write a book than I could fly. He writes vanity articles about Tyner and Soddy-Daisy football for parents to cut out of the paper and stick on the refrigerator with a magnet. He heard an internet rumor ran with it hoping to get credit for breaking a story. Lost the gamble.
Oh well he can go cover South Pittsburgh basketball. Supposedly an assistant principal there is going to be on Gruden's staff when he comes to Tennessee but the guy is so expensive that the deal feel apart, guess he'll just have to keep working as a public school teacher.

 

[Spartacavolus]

Hargis could no more write a book than I could fly. He writes vanity articles about Tyner and Soddy-Daisy football for parents to cut out of the paper and stick on the refrigerator with a magnet. He heard an internet rumor ran with it hoping to get credit for breaking a story. Lost the gamble.
Oh well he can go cover South Pittsburgh basketball. Supposedly an assistant principal there is going to be on Gruden's staff when he comes to Tennessee but the guy is so expensive that the deal feel apart, guess he'll just have to keep working as a public school teacher.

You just qualified for an op ed piece in the tfp

 

[Rizzo924]

You're ridiculous. But watching your petulant rambling is entertainment. Almost better than the Gruden threads from the past few months.

I've seen what you've written in multiple threads on here. Just because people don't join you in your furious message board posting railing against the hire and the AD doesn't make them sheep, spin doctors, sunshine pumpers, or anything else.

You look foolish. You bought into the Gruden hype, and now are presenting the fallout as some type of conspiracy that only the truly enlightened can figure out. It's entertaining to watch...still kind of sad that you believe it.

Had Gruden wanted to be the coach here, we'd have him. As I've said many times before, he would have been a very risky hire. There's no guarantee that he would win at the college level. I think Jones chance of succeeding in Knoxville are greater than Gruden's.

I believe my opinion is similar to most on here: Jones wasn't at the top of my wishlist, but he's now the new head coach of the Vols. He deserves a shot to prove himself on the field. I'll still renew my season tickets, and I'll still make the trip to Neyland to watch a few games next year.

Man, I wish I could believe that.

 

[sanddune50]

Maybe you can get with your sources and figure out the year that UT played Cincy, and what the result of the Vandy game was that year. I think its ironic he lost to Dooley. I would give your Saban reply its due, if BJ had ever beaten a top 25 team. I mean Saban only had multiple SEC championships and a NC by that time, so based on the past evidence, it sound reasoning that the ULM loss was an outlier, and not the norm. Some are trying to spin BJs resume the same way, with winning championships on every level, without even beating a top 25 team.

Dooley had LSU beat at their house his first year at UT as well. Does that mean Les Miles can't win in the SEC?(and yes I know we lost, but it wasn't anything LSU did as opposed to Dooley allowing something happen I have never seen in my lifetime)

 

[sanddune50]

Originally Posted by Spartacavolus View Post
My 12 yr old wouldn't base his opinion of a coach over one early season game on the road against a team playing 5 or 6 NFL players on offense.



Here is the argument, since I need to spell it out for you too. No wins ever against a top 25 team. These are the records for the teams he beat and lost too the last 2 years.

W: 5-7, 3-9, 4-7, 7-5, 6-5(Fordham, FCS), 4-8, 6-6, 6-5(Del. St, FCS), 6-6, 3-8(Austin Peay, FCS), 1-11, 8-5, 4-8, 7-6, 5-7, 6-7, 6-7, 5-7, 5-7

L: 9-3, 10-2, 9-3, 5-7, 10-3, 9-4

Total record of opponents Butch Jones beat at Cincinnati: 97 – 131

Total record of opponents who beat Butch Jones at Cincinnati: 52 – 22

Now, its possible that he can now start winning against good teams, since he has the facilities and tradition that UT has. I am just pointing out the other side of coin of these Championships he has won, or tied for. I don't understand why you both are having a hard time understanding skepticism with BJ.

Didn't Cincy beat Va Tech when they were ranked? And they beat Vandy in a bowl game which proves daisy chaining 1 game to determine who is a better coach is ridiculous.

 

[Vercingetorix]

Man, I wish I could believe that.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that Jones's chance of success is higher than Gruden's would have been, obviously, but hiring a guy who had never dealt with recruiting, practice limits, academic eligibility, etc etc etc would never have been a sure thing, regardless of how charismatic Gruden is or how good he is at the actual coaching part of it. People seemed to believe that Gruden is some sort of Superman and would automatically have been awesome at all of it. I'm not sure why.

 

[Liper]

What intrigues me is the discrepancy between what Hart said in the presser and what Lamonte said. Hart said he reached out "early on" to Gruden's agent and was told there was no interest so he moved on. Lamont in his remarks to KNS on 11/30 said he talked to hart one time that morning and he made it sound like the conversation lasted 30 secs. Doesn't sound like hart tried very hard. I don't really think 11/30 is early on either

Yeah but at any rate...The Gruden deal (or "discussions") was being negotiated through back channels and intermediaries, like many modern deals are that need to be done under some cover. It is probably factually true what Hart and Lamonte said. But that was never the issue anyway.

 

[warrior]

I wouldn't go so far as to say that Jones's chance of success is higher than Gruden's would have been, obviously, but hiring a guy who had never dealt with recruiting, practice limits, academic eligibility, etc etc etc would never have been a sure thing, regardless of how charismatic Gruden is or how good he is at the actual coaching part of it. People seemed to believe that Gruden is some sort of Superman and would automatically
have been awesome at all of it. I'm not
sure why.

I believe that is ultimately why he did not come.

He is a winner because he refuses to put himself in a losing position. He researched and knew exactly what he needed to win.

Staff ect.

UT would not give it to him.


They took a calculated risk instead with Jones on the cheap.