Stephen Hargis...Please release your "info"

Not exactly sure what you are try to convey with this statement. UT is and always has been a publicly funded (state) university. The $18M you mention is, I'm assuming, the 3 year hold on the annual $6M donation from athletics to academics. That is basically extra money that will be "shifted" into the reserve athletic fund at the end of each fiscal year. The athletic department's annual operating budget will pay CBJ's salary as normal.

UT is tuition funded, athletically funded, and donation funded. They are one of teh few in teh state that do not require more money to operate than what they bring in. Yes it all goes into a big pool then gets reimbursed but without football and donations, half the campus would not exist.

It would look more like MTSU. lol
 
Not exactly sure what you are try to convey with this statement. UT is and always has been a publicly funded (state) university. The $18M you mention is, I'm assuming, the 3 year hold on the annual $6M donation from athletics to academics. That is basically extra money that will be "shifted" into the reserve athletic fund at the end of each fiscal year. The athletic department's annual operating budget will pay CBJ's salary as normal.

Their annual operating budget is red. That is why reserves have gone down steadily for several years.

That is why a huge chunk of some athletic portions were just scrapped (think pending lawsuit).

Looks to me like they will probably be in the red for a lot longer.
That means if Academics thinks they will see that 18 million return, well....

I hope you are mot counting on an upgrade to your classroom soon. Many grad students will be missing out on some scholarships as well.

The way many boosters appear to have been treated in this deal, I am not sure anyone should count on much from them until there is major change.

Maybe the Orange and White game will have a good turnout.
 
It absolutely does. I enjoy the boards.

The Gruden threads were a hoot. Did you see my OJGWABL thread?

Official Jon Gruden Wardrobe and Body Language Thread.

It was a trap to catch all the trolls that would come into the Gruden threads and make fun of us.

Instead of bugging us in the Gruden thread, they would all go and just talk about how stupid the OJGWABLT was while they were posting in it.

Worked like a charm.


Ohh well, we tried. Most of us Grudenites knew from the get go that it was nothing more than a grassroots campaign with some people who loved UT flaming it and a guy that had UT ties and wanted to come here but only if the money for the best staff was there . He did not want to come here and be hamstrung by the AD and academics and lose either. That is why he is a winner.

He refuses, even if his family wants it, to put himself in a losing position.

That is what went down on Nov 30, three days after the first mention of Gruden and UT in the Knoxville media that Gruden had cancelled a meeting with Hart.

He knew then that the support would not be there to ensure winning and he would not come with a chance of losing.





It was said early on that Hart and Cheek would be tough to force into a massive hire, even if the money was there.

You can't blame us for trying to make something great happen.

Yea, I know most of the details about how all of this played out. If these former Dooley lovers, who are now BJ spin doctors, actually knew how far along the Gruden thing was, and how screwed up Hart and Cheek are, they would lose their minds. They are too busy trying to say I told you so, and not focusing on this joke of a search and hire. UT could have united the fan base, and showed the rest of the country that they meant business.
 
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Yea, I know most of the details about how all of this played out. If these former Dooley lovers, who are now BJ spin doctors, actually knew how far along the Gruden thing was, and how screwed up Hart and Cheek are, they would lose their minds. They are too busy trying to say I told you so, and not focusing on this joke of a search and hire. UT could have united the fan base, and showed the rest of the country that they meant business.

A lot of people are asking this question. Can you enlighten us with a play by play?
 
A lot of people are asking this question. Can you enlighten us with a play by play?

You would not believe him if he told you.

The Gruden threads have said it all along.

There is way too much.

You can sift through the 180000 posts in the Gruden threads and find it all.

It is all limited to about 600 posts out of those though.

The rest is nonsense, trolling, and banter,

and teh night shifts. But it is there. And always will be. if you go back and read it you will want to cry tonight.
 
You would not believe him if he told you.

The Gruden threads have said it all along.

There is way too much.

You can sift through the 180000 posts in the Gruden threads and find it all.

It is all limited to about 600 posts out of those though.

The rest is nonsense, trolling, and banter,

and teh night shifts. But it is there. And always will be. if you go back and read it you will want to cry tonight.

Why don't you lay out the abbreviated version for us?

Also, for the record, I didn't want Gruden at UT.
 
UT is tuition funded, athletically funded, and donation funded. They are one of teh few in teh state that do not require more money to operate than what they bring in. Yes it all goes into a big pool then gets reimbursed but without football and donations, half the campus would not exist.

It would look more like MTSU. lol

UT is funded by the above sources as well as state and federal funding.

From UT's own website:

"The campus received additional state funds based on performance measures that are now part of its state funding formula through the Tennessee Complete College Act of 2010."


The athletic department does not support the university academic budget outside of the annual $6M gift that is now on hold. Additionally, athletic revenues do not fund non-athletic building construction for UT. The AD budget is around $100 per year, UT's budget is $1.861B.

For FY '12, UT received $411.3M in state funds and an additional $94M in state capital funds.
 
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Why don't you lay out the abbreviated version for us?

Jon Gruden wanted to coach. Cindy did not want him to go back to the NFl.

Jon did not really either because it was too demanding. He likes to fish, hang out, ect.

That is why MNF. It gives him time.

But he has the coaching bug.

If he came to UT, Cindy could be close to her family, he would be able to coach. And, ala Steve Spurrier and Augusta, time to relax.

Next were the administrative barriers such as athletic reporting and some enrollment issues that were partially but acceptably resolved.

He does not like to lose. It damages his value. There was worry that he would not win, due to the change to college, recruiting ect. To win and have family time, he wanted a specific staff, members of which he had put a lot of time and effort into getting. He had done his research.

Tee Martin was contacted. Several others.

Even down to details so minor as liaisons to local North GA and TN high schools as well as Florida high schools were set up.

Two of which, one from North Florida and one from South Pittsburg , who were close friends of his, quit their High School head coaching jobs less than a week ago so as to be NCAA eligible for logistics in a recruiting blitz as soon as Hart and Cheek signed off on it but that is later.

Nov. 30, a bad exchange took place in which TPTB at UT thought the money was just too much (even though it was not theirs. it was in an escrow from boosters for Gruden and only Gruden) and they balked whether over money or the feeling they were being pushed around. Soon the Lamonte statement because it was so close that it leaked. Some fanciful, some fact. He needed to throw a wet blanket on it and boy did he. he must protect his clients worth. That is his job. Sorry it offended UT fans but whatever. It could not ever appear that UT turned down his client.
No one would care once it was done.

Hargis from the TFP vs the Memphis radio guy. Lamonte could not take a chance on a deal falling through and Gruden would not come here without the staff because he refused to chance losing, no matter what his family wanted. It is his reputation at stake.

As soon as a week ago, in the booster side, the deal was still a real likelyhood, at least in their minds and Gruden's.

The HS coaches he had recruited even quit their jobs. One of them of twenty years plus as late as four days ago.



And as high up as Coordinators positions were set.

Boosters floundered around getting the money but got it.

Players at UT began to desperately attempt to block the power play.

Grudens agent flew into Knoxville last night to finish the deal, met with boosters.

Determined not to be pushed around, The three signatures required to sign a coach went and signed someone else that they could get for their measly 18 mil in the dead of night.

It will never be admitted by the Gruden side because it would tarnish his rep.

The people who always scoffed at the Gruden rumors will never believe it.

Does not matter now because it is over. Just don't look for that 18 million to ever get paid back. UT missed a historic opportunity.

You asked.
 
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UT is funded by the above sources as well as state and federal funding.

From UT's own website:

"The campus received additional state funds based on performance measures that are now part of its state funding formula through the Tennessee Complete College Act of 2010."


The athletic department does not support the university academic budget outside of the annual $6M gift that is now on hold. Additionally, athletic revenues do not fund non-athletic building construction for UT. The AD budget is around $100 per year, UT's budget is $1.861B.

For FY '12, UT received $411.3M in state funds and an additional $94M in state capital funds.

You are misrepresenting it I believe. Federal funds include the Pell grant for tuition and Grants.

State funds are what is reimbursed to UT, based on retention and graduation, after tuition from the whole state is collected. It does not get back as much as it puts in.

Places like Martin get that piece.

Building projects athletic and otherwise get their funding from endowments and gifts, from Boosters.

The same boosters that your homies just thumbed their nose at.
 
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Determined not to be pushed around, The three signatures required to sign a coach went and signed someone else that they could get for their measly 18 mil in the dead of night.

Why was Hart flying around in Jim Haslam's plane if he was doing something Jim Haslam didn't want him to do?
 
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UT is funded by the above sources as well as state and federal funding.

From UT's own website:

"The campus received additional state funds based on performance measures that are now part of its state funding formula through the Tennessee Complete College Act of 2010."


The athletic department does not support the university academic budget outside of the annual $6M gift that is now on hold. Additionally, athletic revenues do not fund non-athletic building construction for UT. The AD budget is around $100 per year, UT's budget is $1.861B.

For FY '12, UT received $411.3M in state funds and an additional $94M in state capital funds.

Precisely.

I've yet to encounter anyone say so much that was so wrong regarding the way UT works but warrior keeps on posting despite it.
 
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Haslam's plane went to Louisville once at the same time Gruden's agent flew in from Northern Cali.

The next day Strong declined a the Tennessee job. Did Hart use Gruden's plane to visit Butch Jones before the signatures were on the contract?
 
The tuition money is pooled in Nashville then redistributed yes?


Do not worry, that money will still come in. Let's just hope you guys haven't gotten used to having nice stuff.
 
Haslam's plane went to Louisville once at the same time Gruden's agent flew in from Northern Cali.

The next day Strong declined a the Tennessee job. Did Hart use Gruden's plane to visit Butch Jones before the signatures were on the contract?

I have no idea what plane Hart used to meet Butch Jones. All I know is that VQ reported specifically that Haslam's plane went to Louisville. I am having trouble understanding why Haslam's plane would be in Louisville if Jim Haslam didn't want it there as part of the effort to hire Charlie Strong.
 
Precisely.

I've yet to encounter anyone say so much that was so wrong regarding the way UT works but warrior keeps on posting despite it.

You guys bit the hand that feeds you. Now you get to deal with it.
 
I believe words matter. I believe when a man stands at a podium and addresses folks, in this case, his new hire for the HC at UT....his words matter.

If you can keep your head about you,

when all around you are losing theirs...that's a sign of leadership (or there abouts , I believe he said.)

This is the first stanza of "If"

IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
 
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This is exactly my point. I want to know more about our AD and what happened with the "deal".

Supposedly there was more to this than we know with the AD being the issue. THIS is what I want to know. I could care a less about Gruden at this point, I want to know more about our AD and whether or not he was the issue behind the non-hire.

That's all.

If he was main problem what's it going to change. Not a darn thing.
 
Saban had already won a NC at LSU at that point. You should take a gander at BJs record at Cinncy, the last 2 years. Look at the W-L records for the teams he beat, and the W-L records of teams he lost too. I am even throwing out the first year that he went 4 and 8 after Kelly went 12-1 the year before. Makes these BE championships not so pretty.

Basically, you are putting way too much thought and emphasis into a game. And siting the 4-8 season when Jones was a new HC that took over a team that lost the majority of their starters his first year due to being seniors the year before, makes the assessment even more foolish.
 
Basically, you are putting way too much thought and emphasis into a game. And siting the 4-8 season when Jones was a new HC that took over a team that lost the majority of their starters his first year due to being seniors the year before, makes the assessment even more foolish.

I advised you to look at the W-L record of the teams he beat, and the teams he lost too, for the last 2 years. That is 24 games, not 1 game. I gave him a pass on the first year.
 

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