Still pissed beyond belief...

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ukvols said:
Come on, Hat. :no: You said Gillispie would be at UK when Pearl was no longer at UT. And, you weren't saying that was because Pearl would retire first. You also said at the midpoint of the 2008-09 season that Pearl would be gone by, I think the end of the either the 2010 or 2011 season. It was one of those two years - I can't remember which one you implied when you said how many years he had left. Of course, technically, he could still be gone by the end of 2011, if that was the year you predicted.

You got us on Pearl's character. He told on Illinois and several years later turned out to be just like most coaches when it comes to doing what it takes to get the best players. My innocence of thinking Pearl wouldn't break rules was stripped away last week. :cray:

I don't understand why you're so high on the coach of our rival to the north. Every time you have defended that guy while ripping our coach has annoyed the hell out of me. But, you were right that our coach isn't the hero of following the rules that he was made out to be. I can't question you on that point anymore. Granted, the rules he accused Illinois of breaking were much more serious than extra calls and texts. But, our guy still committed major rules violations to help us win. I just hope he doesn't get busted for that again - our program would be slammed.
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Hat will say anything to protect his beloved coaches who are just as pitiful as Pearl on the recruiting trail while bashing our coach to the ground every opportunity he gets. To him, those coaches are smart enough to find loopholes while Pearl is just a pathetic cheater.
 
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Pearl knows that other coaches get away with far worse things than a few excessive phone calls, so he was pissed he was about to get caught and told a lie. Not saying his reasoning was brilliant, but I can understand what he was thinking.
 
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PoochPunt3rdDown said:
I still just can't wrap my head around the apparently obvious disregard for the state of the athletics program at UT WHEN these apparent basketball recruiting transgressions occurred.

How the hell did the basketball coaching staff think toss-off cell phones and misguided, forbidden contact with recruits would go under the radar given the apparent idiocy that the football staff displayed under the watch of a charlatan and his band of Merry Wanksters?

It seems this issue was contagious within an out-of-control program.

It's shameful that students, alumni and fans are having to try to forgive this staff for doing what they definitely KNEW was wrong when they were doing it...

I'm on the fence for the first time in a long while...
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we aren't the only ones doing this...but that sure doesn't make it right.
 
#82
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As long as Pearl's lies do not bring a post season ban, I say rock on. The good far outweighs the bad at this point. It may hurt recruiting for a year but I will take that all day long vs. the on court accomplishments to date.
 
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The throw away cell phones and contact of recruits that wasn't permitted is minor and would likely have resulted in a slap on the wrist. Pearl is an idiot for lying to investigators, it snowballed into a major violation because of Pearl's actions. When did Bruce start denying the contact to NCAA investigators and how long did he stay with that story?

The previous staff was known for bending the rules, most coaches walk that gray area in recruiting as we well know but they seemed to have little regard for the NCAA and their regulations. Is that a culture that was fostered in So Cal? We still don't know what the NCAA has in regards to our football program but from what little info that's making it's way around it sounds as though it's likely to be a significant problem for us made worse by Pearl's violations.

I see no way Hamilton keeps his job though I think we will wait to hear the findings from the football program before a final decision is made. All 3 major sports are being investigated now and that is never a good thing.
 
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fromtheparkinglot said:
You did at one point say you had full confidence in our new staff to bring UT Football back or something to that extent. Doubt you were putting your stamp of approval on their personal integrity.
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You have to understand Hat, the game of college athletics is a dirty game, everyone is trying to get a leg up on the next guy. This is true from the most prominent of powerhouse programs all the way down to those trying to claw their way up. All of these programs operate in gray areas, some are just better at it than others. Some have better resources both within the university and outside. Some people call it cheating, others (like Hat) feel that those who learn to operate in the gray areas aren't cheaters they were simply better than their counterparts. I'm not saying Hat is right or wrong here, he just doesn't respects rats, he sees them being much worse than the so called cheats many others whine about.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Find me a post where I touted Kiffin as virtuous.
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I just thought that since you are throwing people under the bus for not coming out and supporting Bruce and the fact that you seem to be basking in your own glow about Bruce Pearl being somewhat shady that you certainly must hold Kiffin to that same standard.

I mean if your assessment of their achievements/coaching abilities alone was all you had to go off of then it wouldn't even be close as far as their resumes go would it? Lane hasn't accomplished anything other than getting high profile jobs, and we know how he got those, don't we. (Daddy and Eddy)

Face it, your love affair with Kiffin damages your credibilty of bashing Pearl based strictly on character alone and actually there is no comparison when it comes to achievements, because while football and basketball are totally different animals and both coaches have made transgression we both know that based off their records and acomplishments that Lane & Bruce do not even belong in the same conversation.
 
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MUR73 said:
I just thought that since you are throwing people under the bus for not coming out and supporting Bruce and the fact that you seem to be basking in your own glow about Bruce Pearl being somewhat shady that you certainly must hold Kiffin to that same standard.

I mean if your assessment of their achievements/coaching abilities alone was all you had to go off of then it wouldnt even be close as far as their resumes go would it? Lane hasn't accomplished anything other than getting high profile jobs, and we know how he got those, don't we. (Daddy and Eddy)

Face it, your love affair with Kiffin damages your credibilty of bashing Pearl based strictly on character alone, because while football and basketball are totally different animals and both have made transgression we also know both of their records and achievements. They do not even belong in the same conversation when it comes to results alone.
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I won't speak for Hat but I was always under the impression that he disliked Pearl because he was a "snake". Someone that rested his laurels on doing the right thing (the situation where he recorded a recruit to get dirt on another program) all the while having no qualms about operating in the gray/illegal area as far as the NCAA is concerned himself.
 
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Sudeepvol said:
Pearl knows that other coaches get away with far worse things than a few excessive phone calls, so he was pissed he was about to get caught and told a lie. Not saying his reasoning was brilliant, but I can understand what he was thinking.
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No doubt you are correct. If you are about to get caught cheating and you know others cheat, you have no option but to try to lie your way out of it and create major problems when minor issues were all that were there by admitting your guilt. Lying is always the best answer.
 
#90
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KB5252 said:
I won't speak for Hat but I was always under the impression that he disliked Pearl because he was a "snake". Someone that rested his laurels on doing the right thing (the situation where he recorded a recruit to get dirt on another program) all the while having no qualms about operating in the gray/illegal area as far as the NCAA is concerned himself.
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So it is ok to be unethical just as long as you aren't hypocritical about it, à la Kiffin? ...WELCOME TO
 

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MUR73 said:
So it is ok to be unethical just as long as you aren't hypocritical about it, à la Kiffin? ...WELCOME TO
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You're asking the wrong person, if I understand Hat at all I think he would respond by saying that unethical goes out the door in college recruiting, there are no "ethical" (whatever that means in this context) coaches out there. They all bend or break the rules, he believes Pearl is a "snake" because he got all butt hurt about a situation and decided to snitch them out when he is obviously not above questionable practices himself.

Hat couldn't care less about coaches trampling some ambiguous ethical line set by the NCAA. He does however care that Pearl recorded a recruit to get the goods on another program he felt was getting the better of him.

In many ways Hat's thoughts on Pearl proved to be right, if you're going to point the finger elsewhere you better be above board and beyond reproach.
 
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KB5252 said:
You're asking the wrong person, if I understand Hat at all I think he would respond by saying that unethical goes out the door in college recruiting, there are no "ethical" (whatever that means in this context) coaches out there. They all bend or break the rules, he believes Pearl is a "snake" because he got all butt hurt about a situation and decided to snitch them out when he is obviously not above questionable practices himself.

Hat couldn't care less about coaches trampling some ambiguous ethical line set by the NCAA. He does however care that Pearl recorded a recruit to get the goods on another program he felt was getting the better of him.

In many ways Hat's thoughts on Pearl proved to be right, if you're going to point the finger elsewhere you better be above board and beyond reproach.
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With all due respect i directed my posts to the all knowing hotvol and not to one of his many mouthpiece apologists that get on here and defend him. I know this comes off as harsh but remember i said with all due respect.
 

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MUR73 said:
With all due respect i directed my posts to the all knowing hotvol and not to one of his many mouthpiece apologists that get on here and defend him. I know this comes off as harsh but remember i said with all due respect.
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then send him a PM if you want to have a private conversation
 
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MUR73 said:
With all due respect i directed my posts to the all belevalant hotvol and not to one of his many mouthpiece apologists that get on here and defend him. I know this comes off as harsh but remember i said with all due respect.
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Am I to assume you meant benevolent? Furthermore I couldn't care less what your sexual proclivities are but thanks for sharing, I never knew you had a pet name for Hat.

I am neither a mouthpiece or apologist for anyone. I listened to Hat's objections about Pearl and took them into consideration when he first proposed them. I was thankful for what Pearl did for the program and wasn't sold on Hat's depiction of him based on his earlier deeds at another program but did find the way it was done less than desirable. See unlike you I actually listen to all points of view with an open mind then apply that knowledge and form my own opinion.

I forgot to mention it but all the above was given with all due respect.
 
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ut fans dont let those ky fans upset you months before phone call thing came about it was reported that ut,uk and kansas were being investigated over josh selby recruitment,and pearl manned up after awhile and self imposed sanctions giving up 1.5million and no off campus recruiting for a year.should be enough to keep futher sanctions from being giving out,usc got no futher sanctions for improper benefits after selfimposed sanctions.while kansas should atleast loose the services of selby because any selfimposed sanctions would be a slap in the face of ut if selby plays.and as far as the cats doesnt anyone think its funny in an odd way that selby decommitted from ut after going to lebron james camp who is a proclaimed friend of calipari,s and attended a few kentucky games,but ultimately went to kansas because he didnt want to split time with other freshmen at ky.its like he was asked or paid by lebron or others with calipari,s knowledge not to go to tennessee.and im sure that what calipari done at memphis for d rose.has happened at uk with demarcus cousins who couldnt score high enough on act or sat,s to play naia you can tell he is dumb as a box of rocks,and same goes for elroy vargas .before cal came to uk they got a top 20 player or two every other year now their signing 5every year ,while wall and cousins and class went to nba after a year the 2010class may have one leave and the 5 or 6 for 2011 class plus several others want to ride the pine at uk instead of going were they can be the star they want to be like orton and average 4 points 4 rebs and go pro ,cal want give up any money its already owed out as payment for the kentuckys signees first year as professionals,which is easy to pay when you make five million a year,but he couldnt pay enough to get kanter,s professionally made money hidden like he wanted.they tried to say kanter played as a pro over seas since he was 14 and made no money ,its just a matter of time before cal leaves ky in same way as he did every other school he coached at.
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bosgap said:
ut fans dont let those ky fans upset you months before phone call thing came about it was reported that ut,uk and kansas were being investigated over josh selby recruitment,and pearl manned up after awhile and self imposed sanctions giving up 1.5million and no off campus recruiting for a year.should be enough to keep futher sanctions from being giving out,usc got no futher sanctions for improper benefits after selfimposed sanctions.while kansas should atleast loose the services of selby because any selfimposed sanctions would be a slap in the face of ut if selby plays.and as far as the cats doesnt anyone think its funny in an odd way that selby decommitted from ut after going to lebron james camp who is a proclaimed friend of calipari,s and attended a few kentucky games,but ultimately went to kansas because he didnt want to split time with other freshmen at ky.its like he was asked or paid by lebron or others with calipari,s knowledge not to go to tennessee.and im sure that what calipari done at memphis for d rose.has happened at uk with demarcus cousins who couldnt score high enough on act or sat,s to play naia you can tell he is dumb as a box of rocks,and same goes for elroy vargas .before cal came to uk they got a top 20 player or two every other year now their signing 5every year ,while wall and cousins and class went to nba after a year the 2010class may have one leave and the 5 or 6 for 2011 class plus several others want to ride the pine at uk instead of going were they can be the star they want to be like orton and average 4 points 4 rebs and go pro ,cal want give up any money its already owed out as payment for the kentuckys signees first year as professionals,which is easy to pay when you make five million a year,but he couldnt pay enough to get kanter,s professionally made money hidden like he wanted.they tried to say kanter played as a pro over seas since he was 14 and made no money ,its just a matter of time before cal leaves ky in same way as he did every other school he coached at.
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Right on bos! Thanks for your post and good to see you around again. Hope all is well with you. Come around more often. Your homespun posts are indicative of why we all obsessively come on VN.

God Bless...

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