Stokes dropping out?

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#377
Tobias was far more ready for the NBA after one college season than Stokes is after the last two. Yet, he couldn't crack the line-up with the Bucks before striking gold in Orlando. Different body types and skill sets, but a below the rim guy has to have a mid-range jumper and able to shoot 65% or better from the FT line no matter what his body type may be. He's still figuring out how to extend his shooting arm correctly on FT's - much less becoming proficient at jump shooting. If he goes now he will end up in Europe/Asia or D-league.
 
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#378
BigZiti09 said:
There's some real hate for Scotty in this thread. Scotty was one of the most frustrating kids to ever play here I know. He used to drive me nuts too. However, those of you acting like this kid couldn't play and was a complete bust are mistaken. He was absolutely unstoppable at times during his jr year. The Pitt game and Vandy at home come to mind. He played like a lottery pick for stretches. Y'all need to quit bashing the kid.

The ONLY thing that kept him out of the nba was his handle. Him supposedly having a bad interview had zero to do with him not getting drafted. There are certified loons in the nba with lower ceilings than Hopson.

Personally, I hope he improves his handle and makes a roster.
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I agree. You don't average 17 ppg by accident as a junior. He had plenty of talent. He also had some serious deficiencies. He was overrated coming out of HS in an area with little competition. People were enamored with his ranking and want to certify him a bust because he hasn't made it to the NBA.
 
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#380
volbeast33 said:
You are arguing with yourself.....no one has stated he was ready for the nba
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Well you guys sure are touchy when I say he's overhyped and will never play in the NBA. A lot of you sure make it seam that you think he'll make the NBA one day and most of you think was a great player here at UT. He was good nothing more and nothing less.
 
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cncchris33 said:
You need to make up your mind what you're arguing. I'm not arguing whether Hopson underachieved or not. I'm arguing that he was/is a better player than Higgins (which I can't believe is even an argument). You keep harping on the fact that Hopson left too early, he underachieved, he plays in a lousy foreign league, there are umpteen number of recent Tennessee players better than him, etc. In the same breath, you claim to have no personal beef with Hopson, yet you don't miss a chance to run over the guy.

I'll say it again, and its the last time I'll say it. No NBA scout/exec/coach would agree with your belief that John Higgins is a better, more talented player than Scotty Hopson.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.[/QUOT

I'm not running over Hopson. I'm being realistic when I tell you Hopson isn't NBA material like some of you think he could be. It's more then just his handles. His mental approach is going to be questioned, and he's a below avg defender. Thats FACTS. It's not bashing the kid.
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keckjm said:
cncchris33 said:
You need to make up your mind what you're arguing. I'm not arguing whether Hopson underachieved or not. I'm arguing that he was/is a better player than Higgins (which I can't believe is even an argument). You keep harping on the fact that Hopson left too early, he underachieved, he plays in a lousy foreign league, there are umpteen number of recent Tennessee players better than him, etc. In the same breath, you claim to have no personal beef with Hopson, yet you don't miss a chance to run over the guy.

I'll say it again, and its the last time I'll say it. No NBA scout/exec/coach would agree with your belief that John Higgins is a better, more talented player than Scotty Hopson.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.[/QUOT

I'm not running over Hopson. I'm being realistic when I tell you Hopson isn't NBA material like some of you think he could be. It's more then just his handles. His mental approach is going to be questioned, and he's a below avg defender. Thats FACTS. It's not bashing the kid.
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I really wish you'd pick one argument and go with it.

You'll get a lot more respect without the wild generalizations about a group of people in this forum by saying we all have a man-crush on Hopson, or we think he's NBA all-pro material, or God's gift to basketball.

When confronted with information that conflicts your opinion, you just ignore it and move on to another semi-related tangent. You then throw out insult after insult (either intentionally or otherwise) to drive home your opinion.

You think Hopson is an overrated hack who doesn't belong in the best Euro-leagues, let alone the NBA. All he does is score. He was very inconsequential to his teams' success. He doesn't play defense. He can't dribble. Yada, yada, yada. We get it.
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#383
keckjm said:
Well you guys sure are touchy when I say he's overhyped and will never play in the NBA. A lot of you sure make it seam that you think he'll make the NBA one day and most of you think was a great player here at UT. He was good nothing more and nothing less.
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Never said he was great....He was a good player....u were saying it was a mistake to leave....thats up to Hopson ( waste another yr off of my career or go make alot of money playing the game) I dont know what I would have chosen either. I dont think he would have been a first round pick if he stayed another season at UT so he probably made the right decision.
 
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cncchris33 said:
keckjm said:
I really wish you'd pick one argument and go with it.

You'll get a lot more respect without the wild generalizations about a group of people in this forum by saying we all have a man-crush on Hopson, or we think he's NBA all-pro material, or God's gift to basketball.

When confronted with information that conflicts your opinion, you just ignore it and move on to another semi-related tangent. You then throw out insult after insult (either intentionally or otherwise) to drive home your opinion.

You think Hopson is an overrated hack who doesn't belong in the best Euro-leagues, let alone the NBA. All he does is score. He was very inconsequential to his teams' success. He doesn't play defense. He can't dribble. Yada, yada, yada. We get it.
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Actually I've answered ever argument to mine which is why this BS went on for 3 pages now. I'm not looking for respect over a friggin message. We are going to disagree on this subject no matter no matter what.
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#385
Scotty definitely has the talent to make an NBA roster, you don't score multiple 30+ games your junior year and somehow become a 'bust', if he stayed his senior year under Cuonzo he would have been on fire with the right mentality.
 
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#387
keckjm said:
cncchris33 said:
Actually I've answered ever argument to mine which is why this BS went on for 3 pages now. I'm not looking for respect over a friggin message. We are going to disagree on this subject no matter no matter what.
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You're right on your last sentence. We won't agree on this issue. I stated as much in my last two posts. You believe Jon Higgins was a better player than Scotty Hopson. That alone tells me I can't rationally discuss this topic with you.

As for respect, I'm talking in a general discussion format where respect is earned/given for treating each other like adults. It doesn't surprise me that you aren't looking for it, as you don't give it either. You try to railroad conversations by belittling people's opinions when they don't align with what you view as popular opinion (aka: your opinion), and making wide-ranging generalizations that stray to the far extremes, despite little to no proof to support them.

This will be my last post on the subject. Good day.
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#388
iKrager said:
Scotty definitely has the talent to make an NBA roster, you don't score multiple 30+ games your junior year and somehow become a 'bust', if he stayed his senior year under Cuonzo he would have been on fire with the right mentality.
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It could have helped, but almost every guard can score in D-league. It's the other factors that hurt them, same goes for Hopson. I just think CCM could have got him playing harder on defense, and had he put the work in on his ball handling he'd had a great chance to get drafted last year in second round. Hopson is just the most frustrating basketball player we have had in my lifetime. He'd look great one min, then cause you to face palm the next. He just couldn't get it together when he really needed to.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Jackson is coming back, he and Crawford are just being evaluated by the NBA draft committee.
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Not what Jackson's AAU coach said, I'd have to think if the committee says you're a first round lock, weak draft we recommend going he would think about going...but I don't know so I'll take your word.
 
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VFLCodyGBO said:
Sounds incredibly untrue but I thought I would see if anyone had heard anything more than I, a guy in my English class got a text from a friend this morning saying this.
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You should have been paying attention to your English teacher. Proper grammar would have read: "more than me. A guy..."

JK I can tell by the rest of the post that you write well.
 
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cncchris33 said:
keckjm said:
You're right on your last sentence. We won't agree on this issue. I stated as much in my last two posts. You believe Jon Higgins was a better player than Scotty Hopson. That alone tells me I can't rationally discuss this topic with you.

As for respect, I'm talking in a general discussion format where respect is earned/given for treating each other like adults. It doesn't surprise me that you aren't looking for it, as you don't give it either. You try to railroad conversations by belittling people's opinions when they don't align with what you view as popular opinion (aka: your opinion), and making wide-ranging generalizations that stray to the far extremes, despite little to no proof to support them.

This will be my last post on the subject. Good day.
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I gave you stats of Higgins, "those far extremes", that proved his worth. You don't accept statically records apparently so it seams you'd be the one making generalizations based on zero fact. Good day.
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cncchris33 said:
keckjm said:
You're right on your last sentence. We won't agree on this issue. I stated as much in my last two posts. You believe Jon Higgins was a better player than Scotty Hopson. That alone tells me I can't rationally discuss this topic with you.

As for respect, I'm talking in a general discussion format where respect is earned/given for treating each other like adults. It doesn't surprise me that you aren't looking for it, as you don't give it either. You try to railroad conversations by belittling people's opinions when they don't align with what you view as popular opinion (aka: your opinion), and making wide-ranging generalizations that stray to the far extremes, despite little to no proof to support them.

This will be my last post on the subject. Good day.
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Also here's you some stats:
Hopson Sophomore year:
SEC Tourney:
Game 1: 2 pts
Game 2: 6 pts
Game 3: 11 pts
avg: 6.3ppg
NCAA Tourney:
Game 1: 2 pts
Game 2: 17 pts
Game 3: 3 pts
Game 4: 10 pts
avg: 8 ppg
Junior year:
SEC Tourney:
Game 1: 8 pts
Game 2: 13.5 pts
avg: 13.5 PPG
NCAA Tourney:
Game 1: 4 pts
avg: 4 pts

Big time games Hopson does not show up usually. SEC tourney and NCAA tourney are what matter most. Hopson was 3.5 Pts off his average in the SEC tourney and didn't show up in the NCAA tourney his Junior year. His Sophomore season he had two good games in the NCAA tourney, but the last game where he scored 10 pts he also missed a crucial FT and shot 50% from the line that game going 3-6. Biggest game in UT basketball history and Hopson scored 10 pts.
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#397
Since when does the SEC tourney matter most? It fits your argument I guess.

Hopson didn't turn into a true scorer until his junior year. And yeah, he didn't show up for that Michigan game. Nobody else did either.

Scotty wasn't perfect but was better than Jon Higgins.
 
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#398
keckjm said:
cncchris33 said:
Also here's you some stats:
Hopson Sophomore year:
SEC Tourney:
Game 1: 2 pts
Game 2: 6 pts
Game 3: 11 pts
avg: 6.3ppg
NCAA Tourney:
Game 1: 2 pts
Game 2: 17 pts
Game 3: 3 pts
Game 4: 10 pts
avg: 8 ppg
Junior year:
SEC Tourney:
Game 1: 8 pts
Game 2: 13.5 pts
avg: 13.5 PPG
NCAA Tourney:
Game 1: 4 pts
avg: 4 pts

Big time games Hopson does not show up usually. SEC tourney and NCAA tourney are what matter most. Hopson was 3.5 Pts off his average in the SEC tourney and didn't show up in the NCAA tourney his Junior year. His Sophomore season he had two good games in the NCAA tourney, but the last game where he scored 10 pts he also missed a crucial FT and shot 50% from the line that game going 3-6. Biggest game in UT basketball history and Hopson scored 10 pts.
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He scored double digits in the do or die games. And, how can a player score .5 points in a game? From what it looks like, he was more valuable to the team when he wasn't the leading scorer. Much like McRae this year.

Edit: Do or die, meaning the last one, which makes it the biggest game. I know every game in a single elimination tourney is do or die.
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