Stokes dropping out?

#326
#326
keckjm said:
I really don't want in a five way argument with you guys about Hopson. I have nothing against Hopson, but if you guys think he's a special player so be it. I do not. Either get over it or you can ignore me.
Click to expand...

No, I actually don't think he'll make it to the NBA full-time either, though I hope he proves me wrong. Just defending the idea that he "ruined" his career, which is clearly wrong.
 
#327
#327
l3rewski said:
I need to grow up? You're the one seemingly blasting a guy for making the "wrong" life altering decision... a decision that led to him making more money than most of us could even imagine.

Nice job defending you "argument" btw. :lolabove:
Click to expand...

I don't care what Hopson did nor did I say it was life altering. Im just telling people he's not NBA ready. All of you guys have a love for Hopson. Never said he ruined his life. You want to accuse me of saying something get it right and try again. I'm glad you are butt hurt over what I said.
 
#328
#328
l3rewski said:
No, I actually don't think he'll make it to the NBA full-time either, though I hope he proves me wrong. Just defending the idea that he "ruined" his career, which is clearly wrong.
Click to expand...

When it comes to the NBA he ruined his career because he could have made the D-league easily had he just worked on his ball handling and shooting a little more. Hard to go from Euro to D-league to NBA
 
#329
#329
If Hopson wasn't NBA ready after his junior year, and isn't NBA ready now, then wasn't it his best move to leave when he did and start making money overseas?
 
#330
#330
keckjm said:
I don't care what Hopson did nor did I say it was life altering. Im just telling people he's not NBA ready. All of you guys have a love for Hopson. Never said he ruined his life. You want to accuse me of saying something get it right and try again. I'm glad you are butt hurt over what I said.
Click to expand...

Here, let me quote it for you...

keckjm said:
Yes, he'll go and it'll ruin his entire career just like Hopson.
Click to expand...

And no, I'm not butthurt. It's called debate, and arguing points... something you are terrible at.
 
#331
#331
keckjm said:
Higgins was the best player on his team with Slay. He was a NBA guard IMO. McFaddon was one of the best shooters in the last 20 years we have had. I really thought he'd make a D-league team, and probably would have if Pearl had been able to coach him. Both Harris and McFaddon got overlooked because UT was irreverent at the time.
Click to expand...

Higgins, an NBA guard? The same Jon Higgins who averaged 7 points and 2.8 assists over his career? That's an NBA PG?
 
#332
#332
keckjm said:
Lofton, Slay, Tony Harris, Yarbrough, J. Smith, Chism, McFadden, Haislip, Higgins, Wharton.
Click to expand...

Yarbrough and Haislip went to the league......Hopson was better than Harris, Smith, Mcfadden, and Wharton....Higgins shouldnt even be on the list..

Slay and Chism didnt go bc neither had ideal attributes physically for the league.....Give the man some props he was a good player while he was here.
 
#333
#333
keckjm said:
Hopson ruined his chance to ever play in the NBA and unless your an NBA player you aren't getting millions to play overseas. You do get paid millions to play in the NBA though usually. Stokes has potentially to be a 1st rounder in a few years. That's a lot of money to pass on just to have a few 100,000 dollars playing overseas.
Click to expand...

Uh the nba can sign players from overseas. If he shows nba potential he'll get picked up.

And everyone says he left too early but there was no guarantee he would be drafted after his senior year either.
 
#335
#335
leftfield34 said:
Could just as easily mean that God has told him to stay.
Click to expand...

And I mean that no matter what he decides, whether it turns out to be the right or wrong choice in hindsight, any "signs" he might think he sees could mean the exact opposite. Unless Jesus appears in his room then he should make his decision like a grown man and not pretend that he was given divine inspiration that he could very well be interpreting the wrong way. Faith is fine, but ultimately YOU make the choices based on the best information you have.
 
#337
#337
Vol_Maul said:
And I mean that no matter what he decides, whether it turns out to be the right or wrong choice in hindsight, any "signs" he might think he sees could mean the exact opposite. Unless Jesus appears in his room then he should make his decision like a grown man and not pretend that he was given divine inspiration that he could very well be interpreting the wrong way. Faith is fine, but ultimately YOU make the choices based on the best information you have.
Click to expand...

Seriously?
 
#338
#338
Vol_Maul said:
And I mean that no matter what he decides, whether it turns out to be the right or wrong choice in hindsight, any "signs" he might think he sees could mean the exact opposite. Unless Jesus appears in his room then he should make his decision like a grown man and not pretend that he was given divine inspiration that he could very well be interpreting the wrong way. Faith is fine, but ultimately YOU make the choices based on the best information you have.
Click to expand...

You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't think its your place to criticize his spiritual convictions and what he deems as signs from God to help guide his path. Basic biblical knowledge would tell you that Christians should seek God's wisdom and guidance. James 1:5-7. You don't have to believe as he does, but you shouldn't criticize his decision to seek guidance and how he perceives things revealed to him to help in making that decision.
 
#339
#339
l3rewski said:
Here, let me quote it for you...



And no, I'm not butthurt. It's called debate, and arguing points... something you are terrible at.
Click to expand...

I've done pretty well for myself. It's hard to raise poInts when all of ur are in love with Hopson. yea, you are damn straight Id take Higgins over Hopson because he meant more to his team at that time then Hopson meant to his. Hate to tell all you guys that you guys are All caught up in Hopson being a 5 star high flyer. More to basketball then just PPG. I shot out names and all you guys go to how many PPG they scored. If I asked 20 people who know anything about UT basketball, I promise over half say Hopson was the biggest high school star disappointment UT has ever had. Period. Playing overseas isn't a career a five star player strives for out of high school. It's a lack of opinions you guys lack to see. Hopson isn't even in the same discussion with players like Ron Slay, Chris Lofton, J. Smith when it comes to how much they meant to their team. Chism and Maze where the heart of 2010 team. Prince was a huge part too. All Hopson was asked to do was score and sometimes he failed at that. He won't play defense and he can't dribble. Please enlighten me geniuses on how he's going to ever make an NBA team? He's an overhyped product of the system that never paned out to be what he could have. He's overseas career isn't a career it's a lack of opinions. He doesn't want to be there he wants in the NBA but he isn't good enough period. Argue that all you buffoons want.
 
#340
#340
whocaresgobobcats said:
Uh the nba can sign players from overseas. If he shows nba potential he'll get picked up.

And everyone says he left too early but there was no guarantee he would be drafted after his senior year either.
Click to expand...

To my knowledge one player has been drafted from playing basketball in Israel. He's a C for the Grizz unless they cut him and I really don't care to check because he's irrelevant to my point. Point being, yes Hopson can get picked up from overseas, but he's going to have to get on a team that has better competition like a Spain or France team. As of now, he simply hasn't made those rosters. He's still young and can improve, but ever year that goes by hurts his NBA chances. Coby Karl is 30 in NBA D-league with NBA experience and a he 20 ppg in D-league and teams won't pick him up because he's 30. You have to get to the d-league early to have a shot. Most overseas goes picked up are foreign players that have played pro since they have been 15 years old. Big difference in that and Hopson.
 
#341
#341
keckjm said:
I've done pretty well for myself. It's hard to raise poInts when all of ur are in love with Hopson. yea, you are damn straight Id take Higgins over Hopson because he meant more to his team at that time then Hopson meant to his. Hate to tell all you guys that you guys are All caught up in Hopson being a 5 star high flyer. More to basketball then just PPG. I shot out names and all you guys go to how many PPG they scored. If I asked 20 people who know anything about UT basketball, I promise over half say Hopson was the biggest high school star disappointment UT has ever had. Period. Playing overseas isn't a career a five star player strives for out of high school. It's a lack of opinions you guys lack to see. Hopson isn't even in the same discussion with players like Ron Slay, Chris Lofton, J. Smith when it comes to how much they meant to their team. Chism and Maze where the heart of 2010 team. Prince was a huge part too. All Hopson was asked to do was score and sometimes he failed at that. He won't play defense and he can't dribble. Please enlighten me geniuses on how he's going to ever make an NBA team? He's an overhyped product of the system that never paned out to be what he could have. He's overseas career isn't a career it's a lack of opinions. He doesn't want to be there he wants in the NBA but he isn't good enough period. Argue that all you buffoons want.
Click to expand...

Who said they was in love with the guy....He was simply a better player than most of the guys u mentioned....especially Higgins.
 
#342
#342
volbeast33 said:
Who said they was in love with the guy....He was simply a better player than most of the guys u mentioned....especially Higgins.
Click to expand...

Most? You five guys must smoke tog and it must be some good stuff to be this "high" on Hopson. I wish him look but it's a long road ahead if he's anything like he was here.
 
#343
#343
MemphisCanes said:
If Hopson wasn't NBA ready after his junior year, and isn't NBA ready now, then wasn't it his best move to leave when he did and start making money overseas?
Click to expand...

Possibly, but Hopson could have used the one year under Martin to play better defense and develop a better handle. Very, very good talent. Just not sure if he has it between the ears to max out his potential.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#344
#344
cncchris33 said:
Higgins, an NBA guard? The same Jon Higgins who averaged 7 points and 2.8 assists over his career? That's an NBA PG?
Click to expand...

Higgins In The Record Books
Ranks among UT’s all-time leaders for career three-point percentage (5th with 39.8), three-pointers made (4th with 209), three-point attempts (5th with 525), assists (8th with 352), steals (9th with 130), games started (3rd with 122) and games played (Tied 8th with 124).
 
#345
#345
Wow. Big debate today. Hopson is a special talent, but we all know it was mostly mental with a bad handle of the basketball. Kind of reminds me of a poor man's Rudy Gay. He just can't play in the NBA with that bad of a handle, and he was just a bit weak mentally. I really don't want to knock the guy because I enjoyed watching him play. But, his free throw shooting was a perfect example- always seemed to hit 1 of 2 every time, and the lasting image of our Elite Eight run will be him missing his second of 2 against Michigan State.

One of the most talented to play for us in the last 15 years. But, basketball is not all about talent. Details and toughness help win games. It is unusual in today's game, but Louisville may not have a lottery pick on their team (Deng may be close), but they have smart, tough players who happened to have some talent.

Unfortunately, I would agree that Bobby Maze would really help our team. I have been on record many times saying that Trae at PG is bringing us down. We need a quick, steady, smart PG in a bad way- that is holding us back.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#346
#346
VolGee4 said:
Possibly, but Hopson could have used the one year under Martin to play better defense and develop a better handle. Very, very good talent. Just not sure if he has it between the ears to max out his potential.
Click to expand...

This. No one is questioning Hopson's talent. He just wasn't ready for the NBA and even he admitted he wasn't fully ready.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#347
#347
VolGee4 said:
Wow. Big debate today. Hopson is a special talent, but we all know it was mostly mental with a bad handle of the basketball. Kind of reminds me of a poor man's Rudy Gay. He just can't play in the NBA with that bad of a handle, and he was just a bit weak mentally. I really don't want to knock the guy because I enjoyed watching him play. But, his free throw shooting was a perfect example- always seemed to hit 1 of 2 every time, and the lasting image of our Elite Eight run will be him missing his second of 2 against Michigan State.

One of the most talented to play for us in the last 15 years. But, basketball is not all about talent. Details and toughness help win games. It is unusual in today's game, but Louisville may not have a lottery pick on their team (Deng may be close), but they have smart, tough players who happened to have some talent.

Unfortunately, I would agree that Bobby Maze would really help our team. I have been on record many times saying that Trae at PG is bringing us down. We need a quick, steady, smart PG in a bad way- that is holding us back.
Click to expand...

Maze is a Lousville type player. He's not a stat guy, but he just knows how to play basketball. Everyone thinks I have a problem with Hopson, but I saw a kid who gave an interview one time for NBA scouts that looked like a fifth grader wrote out what he was saying. His legacy will be remembered as a guy who had a chance to do big things and couldn't quite get it done. If he came back he could have scored 20+ points a game for us under Martin IMO. He would have learned to hustle all the time under Martin, and I just think his over all game would have been better. He improved his scoring greatly every year, but he just left you sometimes saying "damn Scotty". Elite 8 missed FTs at end of game is a big one for me.
 
#350
#350
keckjm said:
Maze is a Lousville type player. He's not a stat guy, but he just knows how to play basketball. Everyone thinks I have a problem with Hopson, but I saw a kid who gave an interview one time for NBA scouts that looked like a fifth grader wrote out what he was saying. His legacy will be remembered as a guy who had a chance to do big things and couldn't quite get it done. If he came back he could have scored 20+ points a game for us under Martin IMO. He would have learned to hustle all the time under Martin, and I just think his over all game would have been better. He improved his scoring greatly every year, but he just left you sometimes saying "damn Scotty". Elite 8 missed FTs at end of game is a big one for me.
Click to expand...

Yeah he had some bad moments but alot of the negative memories of scotty was bc so much was expected of him.....Bobby Maze was a good player and one of my faves but not one of the focal points of the team.

Is Martin able to fly around and sprinkle magical pixie dust over the tops of players heads and make them that much better as players. The man has not made the NCAA tournament in his coaching history yet. Scotty has been coached by numerous coaches in his playing history including one of the most successful at UT and noone has gotten him to the level you are referring I really doubt Martin would have made a huge impact on him.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top