Stoops is busy talking down the SEC again this week

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The whole Stoops vs. the SEC discussion is not about the SEC's top tier teams and their National Championships they've accrued. It's about the lower tier SEC teams and the competition they pose for the upper tier; in other words, 2-3 tough contests then a waltz through a cupcake schedule of lower teams. With so much talk of playing a conference championship versus playing everyone in a given conference the Big XII is being picked on unjustly. The Big XII 's lower tier this year will include W. Virginia and Okie State and you saw how they played Bama and FSU. Texas is OU's rival so it's always tough, but this year with the change in coaches, they appear to be a lower tier team. What I find interesting is Stoops is calling out Kentucky, where his brother now coaches. Talk about sibling rivalry! I remember the great Tennessee teams and know that you're a bit down now that it appears you're a lower tier team for a few seasons. Stoops will take it back if any of the SEC's lower tier beats him but will feel he's proven the point if the Sooners win and more importantly win by the current spread (20.5) on Saturday's game. Again, if everyone stops talking about OU not deserving to play in the final 4because they don't play a conference championship game but instead look at the quality of the competition within the conference, this discussion would be over. Incidentally, when OU scheduled Tennessee some 10-15 years ago, you were looking very competitive. The last few years we've had FSU home and away (won both), Notre Dame (split), Oregon (split but had to deal with PAC XII refs) and even further back Bama (won both), as well as other high caliber teams. Stoops welcomes the challenge.
 
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For the 2nd time, play 4-5 top 10 teams in a span of 6 weeks then come into the discussion about competition and league strength.
 
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Boom! 75 said:
The whole Stoops vs. the SEC discussion is not about the SEC's top tier teams and their National Championships they've accrued. It's about the lower tier SEC teams and the competition they pose for the upper tier; in other words, 2-3 tough contests then a waltz through a cupcake schedule of lower teams. With so much talk of playing a conference championship versus playing everyone in a given conference the Big XII is being picked on unjustly. The Big XII 's lower tier this year will include W. Virginia and Okie State and you saw how they played Bama and FSU. Texas is OU's rival so it's always tough, but this year with the change in coaches, they appear to be a lower tier team. What I find interesting is Stoops is calling out Kentucky, where his brother now coaches. Talk about sibling rivalry! I remember the great Tennessee teams and know that you're a bit down now that it appears you're a lower tier team for a few seasons. Stoops will take it back if any of the SEC's lower tier beats him but will feel he's proven the point if the Sooners win and more importantly win by the current spread (20.5) on Saturday's game. Again, if everyone stops talking about OU not deserving to play in the final 4because they don't play a conference championship game but instead look at the quality of the competition within the conference, this discussion would be over. Incidentally, when OU scheduled Tennessee some 10-15 years ago, you were looking very competitive. The last few years we've had FSU home and away (won both), Notre Dame (split), Oregon (split but had to deal with PAC XII refs) and even further back Bama (won both), as well as other high caliber teams. Stoops welcomes the challenge.
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I understand where Stoops is coming from to a point.

However, personnally, I think he's full of it.

I agree the SEC has its Vandy's and Kentucky's. There's no question of that.

However, I hear a lot of people pointing to the success of A&M and Mizzou since joining the league, but no one has bothered to acknowledge that Arkansas went from a nationally relevant program into the crapper. They've appeared in 3 SEC title games and 1 BCS bowl since entering the SEC. They won 13 SWC titles in their history. They are below .500 in SEC conference games. In the 33 years prior to joining the SEC, they had 2 losing seasons. In the 22 years of being in the SEC, they've had 9 losing seasons.

And it's not what's at the top in the SEC, it's that so many of the teams in the league can trade places at the top and be national title good. No one in the Big XII is ever going to be national title good outside of Oklahoma and Texas. For all of Alabama's dominance during the Saban era, he has two SEC titles at Alabama, which is the same number of SEC titles that division rivals Auburn and LSU have since he's been head coach at Alabama.

Not many leagues would have schedules where the relief from stiff competition might be a trip to the Swamp to play Florida or having to step into a 100,000+ Neyland. After all, Florida and Tennessee aren't ranked. And that's "the break" you get before having to play Alabama, LSU, or whoever.

The National Football League would also like to chime in on the NFL talent produced at a Kansas State (who is ranked and has done well since Snyder came back) compared to the NFL talent coming out of Tennessee who hasn't been to a bowl game since 2010. Kansas State has put out 7 draftees in the last 5 drafts. Tennessee has put more than double that out and people in these parts point to the NFL draft as a measure for why Tennessee has struggled recently.

I respect the Big XII more than some other leagues, but I think Stoops is crazy if he doesn't see a difference.

JMO
 
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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
SEC Bowl Games under Stoops:

W 10–3 January 1, 2002 2001 Arkansas Cotton Bowl

L 14–21 January 4, 2004 2003 LSU Sugar Bowl

L 14–24 January 8, 2009 2008 Florida BCS Nat'l Champ Game

L 13–41 January 4, 2013 2012 Texas A&M Cotton Bowl

W 45–31 January 2, 2014 2013 Alabama Sugar Bowl

Regular Season vs SEC with Stoops:

9/7/02 Alabama@ Norman Won 37-27

9/6/03 Sooners @ Alabama Won 20-13

Bob Stoops has an ego issue IMHO with his image in the eye of the coaching world. His only solid SEC victory was against last years Alabama. I will not defend Bama for choking because they played the game...lost and that is what they did....Oklahoma gave it to them. Stoops has defeated an Arkansas Houston Nutt coached team and Alabama 3 times and the 2003 team OU was #1 in the country while Bama barely won 4 games that year and slipped out a win 20-13. He has won a lot of games and is a solid coach no doubt but he has had some embarrassing losses on the national stage outside of the SEC too....

Pete Carroll's Trojans blew them off the field for a Nat'l Championship 55-19 in the Orange Bowl....which I was pulling for them all the way in.
Boise State's comical yet beautifully executed trick plays to beat his Sooners 43-42 in the Fiesta Bowl.
Kevin Sumlin's 1st season at Texas A&M and was pimp smacked them 41-13.
The Fiesta Bowl in 2007 when West Virginia romped them 48-28.

The point is....the man has won and won a lot. But his mighty Sooners have had some bad public appearances on the main stage....in SEC verbage they have looked very Mark Richt-esque/Georgia-ish when in the spot light with all the pieces to win it all...on paper.
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I am an Oklahoma grad, and a 3-year member of the marching band who witnessed the 2003 and 04 national champiaonship games in person. There's nothing here I can really argue with. It's an accurate history and I would hope that our fan base has the balls to admit it.

You won't hear many OU fans admit it, but Oklahoma is playing with major unfinished business this season after several years when we failed to meet championship-level expectations.

I believe that Stoops will not hesitate to embarrass UT on Saturday given the opportunity, and that is a direct effect of angst against the SEC, but it would be completely empty if the team didn't go on to qualify for the playoff and compete in it (if not win it).

The win against Bama was good for Bob's ego but they weren't handing out any coveted trophies for it.
 
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I do wish UT had the good fortune with scheduling as Stoopsie has had at OK. Bama was down as bad as they have ever been in early 2000's. FSU was in early stages of rebuilding when they got them and now here we are also in infancy stage of building back. In contrast we just happen to rotate Auburn on our schedule the year after they win 3 games and they play for national title! We get OK when they seem be better than they have been in years. Ole Miss rotates on this year and they are more talented than they have ever been. I don't even want to think about what Texas A&M will be when we get them! Of course by that time I expect we will be really good ourselves.
 
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Stoops obviously feeling over confident and rightfully so. Hopefully he instills that in his players and we go hit them right in the mouth.
 
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Wilson27 said:
I do wish UT had the good fortune with scheduling as Stoopsie has had at OK. Bama was down as bad as they have ever been in early 2000's. FSU was in early stages of rebuilding when they got them and now here we are also in infancy stage of building back. In contrast we just happen to rotate Auburn on our schedule the year after they win 3 games and they play for national title! We get OK when they seem be better than they have been in years. Ole Miss rotates on this year and they are more talented than they have ever been. I don't even want to think about what Texas A&M will be when we get them! Of course by that time I expect we will be really good ourselves.
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It'll be nearly a decade before we play y'all. I expect to have a new coach and a national championship by then. 10 years in college ball might as well be a lifetime.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
It'll be nearly a decade before we play y'all. I expect to have a new coach and a national championship by then. 10 years in college ball might as well be a lifetime.
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We will see. Stoops has an axe to grind vs. the SEC to be sure, not obvious his results merit such bravado. SEC stands on its own merits, 7 of last 8 and usually clocks the other Big four every year. So wtf is his point?
 
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TXA&M07 said:
It'll be nearly a decade before we play y'all. I expect to have a new coach and a national championship by then. 10 years in college ball might as well be a lifetime.
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It's so weird to think nothing of going nearly a decade before you play a team in your conference.Imagine if we had mega conferences.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
It'll be nearly a decade before we play y'all. I expect to have a new coach and a national championship by then. 10 years in college ball might as well be a lifetime.
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That is crazy isn't it?! The conference should make sure that isn't the case even if we have to drop our one permanent opponent from the other division. I know that isn't popular around here because of Bama but just my opinion.

Oh and by the way....congratulations on outmaneuvering Texas and joining the SEC. It seems it has served your recruiting very well.
 
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..as far as what Stoops says about SEC it can't really be taken seriously. 5 different SEC schools won national titles since the BCS era began. In last two years 112 players drafted to NFL from the SEC and 39 from Big 10. Those numbers were mentioned this evening on SECN.
 
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99gator said:
I understand where Stoops is coming from to a point.

However, personnally, I think he's full of it.

I agree the SEC has its Vandy's and Kentucky's. There's no question of that.

However, I hear a lot of people pointing to the success of A&M and Mizzou since joining the league, but no one has bothered to acknowledge that Arkansas went from a nationally relevant program into the crapper. They've appeared in 3 SEC title games and 1 BCS bowl since entering the SEC. They won 13 SWC titles in their history. They are below .500 in SEC conference games. In the 33 years prior to joining the SEC, they had 2 losing seasons. In the 22 years of being in the SEC, they've had 9 losing seasons.

And it's not what's at the top in the SEC, it's that so many of the teams in the league can trade places at the top and be national title good. No one in the Big XII is ever going to be national title good outside of Oklahoma and Texas. For all of Alabama's dominance during the Saban era, he has two SEC titles at Alabama, which is the same number of SEC titles that division rivals Auburn and LSU have since he's been head coach at Alabama.

Not many leagues would have schedules where the relief from stiff competition might be a trip to the Swamp to play Florida or having to step into a 100,000+ Neyland. After all, Florida and Tennessee aren't ranked. And that's "the break" you get before having to play Alabama, LSU, or whoever.

The National Football League would also like to chime in on the NFL talent produced at a Kansas State (who is ranked and has done well since Snyder came back) compared to the NFL talent coming out of Tennessee who hasn't been to a bowl game since 2010. Kansas State has put out 7 draftees in the last 5 drafts. Tennessee has put more than double that out and people in these parts point to the NFL draft as a measure for why Tennessee has struggled recently.

I respect the Big XII more than some other leagues, but I think Stoops is crazy if he doesn't see a difference.

JMO
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You may have charmed me into clicking the like button this time, Reptile, but I'm watching you....you slimy Reptile, you
 
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gonzagafan62 said:
I admitted it, yes. But what do you not get that its STUPID to run up the score if you were winning by 50, but the computers and the talking heads would love it if say you beat #17 Texas Tech by 60?

Its completely understandable. He didn't wanna run up the score, but to impress the voters and computers you had to do it. He didn't like it. Whats wrong with that?
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so he did it any way ?
 
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