Stop being manly

[Orange_Crush]

By this logic race has never impacted blacks in this country. Always been a rich poor thing.

You should be ashamed of yourself for putting the word "logic" into that response.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Amazing that you picked this post to respond to:

Did you go to the University of Texas?

Versus this one:

In reality this is what we are dealing with. I know of no way to stop it other than begin selective sterilization and forced fostering of children. Pull the kids out of the hood and trailer parks and then put them in foster homes. Pay for their education and upbringing. Limit number of children welfare recipients are allowed to have and go from there. Now, having said that, it comes across as heartless, evil, anti-family, etc. But in truth this is what it will take to break the cycle. Throwing money at an issue and not making any life style changes is exactly what we have done for close to 60 years. It hasn't and isn't working. The leaders of color that were supposed to help break this cycle have their hands in the pie the same as the whites.

Believe it or not I had that thought while watching "Blind Side". The cycle of poverty and no hope for a future for Michael Oher was stopped cold in it's tracks. How do you repeat that cycle for everyone that needs it?

I guess the truth hits closer to home.

Edit: Added the correct upper post. But you get the drift.

 

[LouderVol]

I can’t believe how many people here send their kids to Baylor, McCallie, GPS, etc. and the vast majority wind up going to UTC or UTK. $100k down the tubes for what?

throw in my alma mater Notre Dame. seems like most of my class never left high school and have done NOTHING with their lives.

 

[Vol737]

I can’t believe how many people here send their kids to Baylor, McCallie, GPS, etc. and the vast majority wind up going to UTC or UTK. $100k down the tubes for what?

Social Circles mostly, but have known some that got into Ivy League and few smaller prestigious East Coast schools (Colgate, G'town, UVA, Duke etc..) So tack on another $200K plus.

 

[LouderVol]

If somebody was arguing that, then they're idiots, but I don't think anybody was.

so it just holds back black people?

or just minorities?

or only certain minorities?

this is what I am getting at. I don't buy his theory that it is holding people back.

also this thread has gone way off topic.

 

[n_huffhines]

so it just holds back black people?

or just minorities?

or only certain minorities?

this is what I am getting at. I don't buy his theory that it is holding people back.

also this thread has gone way off topic.

So you're going on the record saying that the quality of schools in poor areas has nothing to do with the inequality of educational outcomes?

 

[LouderVol]

So you're going on the record saying that the quality of schools in poor areas has nothing to do with the inequality of educational outcomes?

nothing? no. I have made the point several times about competency. just pointing out that private/better schools don't have a perfect system. and the problems can't be boiled down to race. I said from the beginning rich/poor matters far more than black/white.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

throw in my alma mater Notre Dame. seems like most of my class never left high school and have done NOTHING with their lives.

It’s funny around here if you went to Baylor and UTC that’s better than if you went to Vanderbilt or Brown or something.

 

[Vol737]

throw in my alma mater Notre Dame. seems like most of my class never left high school and have done NOTHING with their lives.

Same here. I went to public schools in Atlanta (Gwinnett). AP everything was offered and we had great teachers. Had friends that went to Westminster, Marist, Woodward, etc..all the top private schools. Have been absolutely shocked at the number that have just flamed out. I think a lot of it was a sense of entitlement, too good to do certain jobs and they thought their daddy's money was their money, much to their detriment.

 

[LouderVol]

It’s funny around here if you went to Baylor and UTC that’s better than if you went to Vanderbilt or Brown or something.

oh yeah. its a whole good ole boy system. doesn't matter what you actually learned.

 

[LouderVol]

Same here. I went to public schools in Atlanta (Gwinnett). AP everything was offered and we had great teachers. Had friends that went to Westminster, Marist, Woodward, etc..all the top private schools. Have been absolutely shocked at the number that have just flamed out. I think a lot of it was a sense of entitlement, too good to do certain jobs and they thought their daddy's money was their money, much to their detriment.

to me it seemed that too much focus was put on HS/college as they were goals, not just a means to an end.

luckily for me it was clear, I knew what I wanted to be, so I had a clear direction. HS, college, work. with some they haven't actually thought about what they will do after school, so they aren't really attached to it or driven by it, and their drive stops outside the classroom doors.

I thank God each and every day that High School and College were not the best days of my life. had great times, but the real world has so much more to offer along with real freedom, instead of freedom at the end of your parents leash.

 

[AM64]

beyond the level of competency I don't think it matters a whole lot.

yeah, if everyone had grade A teachers all the time it would be great. but even in the private education there were plenty of teachers who knew less than the students. I had a least 1 or 2 (of 8) that didn't every semester.

again my whole thing is if you took the inner city kids and plopped them down into the best private school with no other changes you wouldn't see a big difference in what they actually learn. Sure the process of teaching, their "education" might be better, but without the drive it won't make a difference. not because they can't, but the drive.

The less the commitment to learning and the higher the student to teacher ratio will define the level of disruptiveness and its negative effect on learning. To me that is pretty much what will define which schools excel and which ones fail, and that often depends on neighborhood and constituent values. Public schools can easily fall into an entitlement mold; while there is at least some skin in the game (if only money) for private schools.

You can't forget peer pressure either. As a military brat, I saw my share of schools and classmates - fortunately most decent kids. The one place (and fortunately we were there only a short time) where I would have gone wrong because of the kids around me was Denver. That place was evil.

 

[T-TownVol]

Same here. I went to public schools in Atlanta (Gwinnett). AP everything was offered and we had great teachers. Had friends that went to Westminster, Marist, Woodward, etc..all the top private schools. Have been absolutely shocked at the number that have just flamed out. I think a lot of it was a sense of entitlement, too good to do certain jobs and they thought their daddy's money was their money, much to their detriment.

Stereo-Type much?

 

[LouderVol]

The less the commitment to learning and the higher the student to teacher ratio will define the level of disruptiveness and its negative effect on learning. To me that is pretty much what will define which schools excel and which ones fail, and that often depends on neighborhood and constituent values. Public schools can easily fall into an entitlement mold; while there is at least some skin in the game (if only money) for private schools.

You can't forget peer pressure either. As a military brat, I saw my share of schools and classmates - fortunately most decent kids. The one place (and fortunately we were there only a short time) where I would have gone wrong because of the kids around me was Denver. That place was evil.

I could definitely see teacher to student ratio having a part. not everyone is going to learn the same but its difficult to personalize for so many. but again that seems like a money issue.

peer pressure is just part of drive. whether you fall in with a good peer pressure or reject a bad one, your drive is part of that.

 

[Vol737]

Stereo-Type much?

Comprehend much? Damn dude.

 

[T-TownVol]

Comprehend much? Damn dude.

Comprehend your jealousy quite clearly.....

 

[Vol737]

Comprehend your jealousy quite clearly.....

LOL. I see I hit a little too close to home.

 

[T-TownVol]

LOL. I see I hit a little too close to home.

Nope....keep spewing your envious comments....

 

[Vol737]

Nope....keep spewing your envious comments....

Oh gawd...ok.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

Oh gawd...ok.

He’s got you now!

 

[Vol737]

He’s got you now!

I guess.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Duck Commander? Lost me on letting kids watch that garbage.

As for the males playing the boobs. It draws laughs. You can do anything to the white American male because nothing is offensive.

Dan Connor doesn't really play the boob on Roseanne. He goes out and makes the money, but it also reflects a certain amount of "if mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy" portrayal of their relationship.

The 50s shows you mention keep the woman in the home. Many women find such a portrayal offensive.

I dont think I have ever seen anything offensive on duck commander...what did I Miss? They never cuss, ever...end nearly every episode with a big family meal and prayer...did I miss something immoral? Honest question, because we don't watch much tv and I may have missed something. It's boring at times, and not funny...but that's most tv

 

[82_VOL_83]

I dont think I have ever seen anything offensive on duck commander...what did I Miss? They never cuss, ever...end nearly every episode with a big family meal and prayer...did I miss something immoral? Honest question, because we don't watch much tv and I may have missed something. It's boring at times, and not funny...but that's most tv

I'd say Phil is about as manly as you get.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

beyond the level of competency I don't think it matters a whole lot.

yeah, if everyone had grade A teachers all the time it would be great. but even in the private education there were plenty of teachers who knew less than the students. I had a least 1 or 2 (of 8) that didn't every semester.

again my whole thing is if you took the inner city kids and plopped them down into the best private school with no other changes you wouldn't see a big difference in what they actually learn. Sure the process of teaching, their "education" might be better, but without the drive it won't make a difference. not because they can't, but the drive.

Of course you wouldn't see a difference. Because the problem about 20% of the time is the students attitude and lack of desire to learn, and 80% of the time it's the sheety parents, or lack of parents, that dooms them from the start. It isnt just minorities either..do y'all not go out in public? I try not to, but every single time I do, I see many many kids acting the damn fool...because their parent, or grandma in many cases because mom and dad are both dead, or in prison, or rehab...their supervision is too busy on facebook, or jawing with their friend girl about some kind of drama...to actually watch their kids. So the little monsters run amok, because there is zero discipline. None.

 

[hog88]

I follow the wife in stores because it takes too damn much time to find her when she was right beside me and then ... Men should have leashes for wives in stores, but we know where that would go.

That is one of my biggest pet peeves with the wife. The other week we’re in HD I thought we were looking at low voltage lights, I’m talking to her get no answer look around and she’s gone.