Stranger Things

#151
#151
Daloth said:
I just watched seven episodes in a row today finally having a day off. I'm gonna post my crazy theory of what's coming/could happen here. It heavily relies on the writers influences for the show, mainly Spielberg and Stephen King, and the fact they've said they want season two to be remembered in the same way the second Indiana Jones and Terminator movies are remembered, and they want it to be vastly darker. HUGE spoilers here.

I think the deal Hopper made with the DoE wasn't just "Give us access to the gate AND keep everyone safe and we'll give you Eleven" He said, "You'll give us anything we want."

Hopper is a smart enough, and jaded enough, man to realize that when you've got the Government by the balls you go all in, and him being picked up right after the events by the DoE agents and him knowing about Eleven still being alive in the Upside Down only further shows he's now on the inside. But why is he on the inside? What does he have to gain and what would the DoE want with him if they didn't have to keep him around for something?

The fact is, they both still have something enormous to gain. Even bigger than what has happened so far.

This is where the Stephen King mythos comes in especially heavy. The first thing I thought of when they showed Eleven in the sensory chamber trying to spy on the Russians was "Hold up. this is Todash space. She's in Stephen King's Todash space."

Now, for those of you who don't read King heavily, Todash space is described by King as "A space between spaces, the cracks of all the universes, only the most vile and evil creatures exist here, and they don't truly live, they simply exist. To get here you have to be a powerful psychic/have access to insane technology, or be cursed by fate." For a famous comparison, Pennywise the Clown from IT lived in/existed in Todash space... and was one of the weaker creatures here. And furthermore, to get into Todash space you often times run into something he called a "thinny" or a weak spot in reality where the universes have eroded thin. A common side effect of thinnies (which can be hundreds of miles in size or the size of a dime) is a strange mist or weather phenomenon, similar to how all of the Upside Down is. The reason the creature never entered our world before was because creatures born in those spaces can't get out unless they get extremely powerful from devouring each other or from being contacted by people/things from other realities. Eleven touching it effectively "honed in" on our universe's frequency allowing it to start coming in and out.

I believe the King influences here are hinted at strongly because of the near perfect descriptions of Todash spaces and the fact of all the influences this story has, NONE are as out right obvious as all of the Stephen King ones. The show typing/lettering is exactly how his classic novels were done (the big bold red letters). The first episode Will is asked "You're not even scared of... clowns?" a direct reference to pennywise (just before he is abducted by a todash monster effectively.) The bullies call them "Those Losers", a pretty obvious reference to the Losers Club from IT as well, and the knife scene where the bully has Mike jump off a cliff is from IT also. But on top of that King not only gets called out by name when meeting Eleven's mother, but the security guard is reading a novel with Stephen King's picture on the back whenever Hopper breaks into the Morgue to check out the fake body.

Now, what does this have to do with the DoE and Hopper? Well, it goes back to exactly what the Upside Down is. It's not a different universe. It's simply the other side of our own reality. It's not a different tightrope, its just the side that doesn't get sunlight.

It's the space between two spaces.

The fact that Eleven, as a prebuscent child without a fully developed brain, is able to get here already shows that once she gets more used to her powers (or finds a way to tap into them with more emotion, as she did when she turned 10 people's brains to mush at once) she will only get stronger. So, if she's only in the underbelly of our universe already what else could she do?

Entire other realities. Universes where the Cold War DID happen. Universes where Alexander the Great didn't die young and actually conquered all of the known world. Universes where Coca Cola never existed. Universes that are thousands of years further advanced in science and medicine, where a little girl isn't at risk of dying from a disease of any kind.

Hopper told them he wants to use Eleven to find an alternate universe where his daughter is still alive. And he said he would work with them, now in the stead of her evil "papa," to help her tap into her potential which was clearly raised once she developed feelings for Mike and his friends. And she is in the Upside Down now, not because she can't get out, but because she is staying there to both:
1. Prevent more creatures from coming through and develop her powers
2. work on opening holes there to other universes (because the stability of that part of our universe is clearly weaker than the normal one because the creature is able to break through easily, as are normal humans if they're fast enough.)

I think the season will start with her opening a hole to an entirely alternate universe (or finding more of the monsters/different monsters in the Upside Down) and it will cause ripples in the Upside Down and our own universe. Will is going to be the villain in the normal side for the most of the story, maybe even being fully possessed by an entity far smarter and more evil than the monster we saw, because never before has one of these creatures tried to cause gestation in humans, and it's only logical to think that a child of a human/monster hybrid will be smarter, or it could just outright be a more evil and sentient parasite that simply spawns more children and hides in the shadows and was even using the monster in the same way to find more hosts. I'm much more inclined to think the main bad creature wasn't the thing Eleven killed, but a Parasite/doppleganger as well because of the enormous implications this would cause (their friendship/circle being challenged enormously next season is a great way to go) and because the science teacher was watching The Thing whenever they called about how to build a sensory deprivation tank. You could pick ANY sci fi movie/horror movie to show there, but why the Thing? Because it, just like many of Steven King's Todash monsters, can turn into anything they want or take control of bodies out right after assimilating them.

I think Will gets solved by episode 7/8 and that's when we find out the real threat is still the new reality, and it gets solved/delayed in order to set us up for season 3, with a nearly mad to see his daughter Hopper either going into the universe himself or stealing her from the other causing who knows what kind of temporal disturbances
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whoa...
 
#152
#152
Binge watched the entire season yesterday and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Good characters, soundtrack and plot. Can't ask for much more than that. Can't wait for season 2.

I did have a question when watching that I'm not sure if they explained...

After they find Will in the Upside Down and he's in the hospital, does no one question how he's alive after his "body" was found and was a big local news story?
 
#153
#153
Through_The_T said:
Binge watched the entire season yesterday and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Good characters, soundtrack and plot. Can't ask for much more than that. Can't wait for season 2.

I did have a question when watching that I'm not sure if they explained...

After they find Will in the Upside Down and he's in the hospital, does no one question how he's alive after his "body" was found and was a big local news story?
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That was a fake...stuffed with straw or similar material. Hopper broke into the morgue.
 
#154
#154
butchna said:
That was a fake...stuffed with straw or similar material. Hopper broke into the morgue.
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Sorry, I wasn't clear on my question.

Since the fake body was assumed real by the local news outlets and responders (and a funeral conducted), what would folks in the hospital and around town think when Will magically shows up alive and well?
 
#155
#155
Through_The_T said:
Sorry, I wasn't clear on my question.

Since the fake body was assumed real by the local news outlets and responders (and a funeral conducted), what would folks in the hospital and around town think when Will magically shows up alive and well?
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Sorry, I think with all the explosions and deaths and the government controlling the information, the locals learned to not write the editor.
 
#156
#156
Through_The_T said:
Sorry, I wasn't clear on my question.

Since the fake body was assumed real by the local news outlets and responders (and a funeral conducted), what would folks in the hospital and around town think when Will magically shows up alive and well?
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butchna said:
Sorry, I think with all the explosions and deaths and the government controlling the information, the locals learned to not write the editor.
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In the last episode a Newspaper clipping can be seen at the holiday party at the Sheriff's that says "The Miracle Boy comes back to life" or something like that. I didn't pause it to read it, but it seems they did their best to explain it away in the media too.
 
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#157
I'm also very fond of the theory that

Eleven and the monster are the same, or at least the monster is another manifestation of her powers. You can think this because

1. She openly says "I am the monster" and she wouldn't say the sentence like that if it weren't true because of the whole "Friends never lie" thing they've built up and
2. They call the creature the Demogorogon constantly. Now we think it's just that its a D&D reference for the kids, but these writers don't just put things to put them. A Demogorgon in D&D mythology has two heads and the two heads constantly fight with each other otherwise it would most likely be strong enough to take over vastly more territory.

If this part turns out to be true, then I think there's a huge chance that the Hydra boss from the last campaign in the last episode could be a hint at the antagonist next season in Will. The hydra has seven heads and can grow new ones as the heads get cut off, like a host body produce more and more slugs that grow up into whatever fully adult versions of those creatures are (I do not believe in any way that the season 1 monster is what those slugs grow up into)
 
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#159
#159
Daloth said:
I just watched seven episodes in a row today finally having a day off. I'm gonna post my crazy theory of what's coming/could happen here. It heavily relies on the writers influences for the show, mainly Spielberg and Stephen King, and the fact they've said they want season two to be remembered in the same way the second Indiana Jones and Terminator movies are remembered, and they want it to be vastly darker. HUGE spoilers here.

I think the deal Hopper made with the DoE wasn't just "Give us access to the gate AND keep everyone safe and we'll give you Eleven" He said, "You'll give us anything we want."

Hopper is a smart enough, and jaded enough, man to realize that when you've got the Government by the balls you go all in, and him being picked up right after the events by the DoE agents and him knowing about Eleven still being alive in the Upside Down only further shows he's now on the inside. But why is he on the inside? What does he have to gain and what would the DoE want with him if they didn't have to keep him around for something?

The fact is, they both still have something enormous to gain. Even bigger than what has happened so far.

This is where the Stephen King mythos comes in especially heavy. The first thing I thought of when they showed Eleven in the sensory chamber trying to spy on the Russians was "Hold up. this is Todash space. She's in Stephen King's Todash space."

Now, for those of you who don't read King heavily, Todash space is described by King as "A space between spaces, the cracks of all the universes, only the most vile and evil creatures exist here, and they don't truly live, they simply exist. To get here you have to be a powerful psychic/have access to insane technology, or be cursed by fate." For a famous comparison, Pennywise the Clown from IT lived in/existed in Todash space... and was one of the weaker creatures here. And furthermore, to get into Todash space you often times run into something he called a "thinny" or a weak spot in reality where the universes have eroded thin. A common side effect of thinnies (which can be hundreds of miles in size or the size of a dime) is a strange mist or weather phenomenon, similar to how all of the Upside Down is. The reason the creature never entered our world before was because creatures born in those spaces can't get out unless they get extremely powerful from devouring each other or from being contacted by people/things from other realities. Eleven touching it effectively "honed in" on our universe's frequency allowing it to start coming in and out.

I believe the King influences here are hinted at strongly because of the near perfect descriptions of Todash spaces and the fact of all the influences this story has, NONE are as out right obvious as all of the Stephen King ones. The show typing/lettering is exactly how his classic novels were done (the big bold red letters). The first episode Will is asked "You're not even scared of... clowns?" a direct reference to pennywise (just before he is abducted by a todash monster effectively.) The bullies call them "Those Losers", a pretty obvious reference to the Losers Club from IT as well, and the knife scene where the bully has Mike jump off a cliff is from IT also. But on top of that King not only gets called out by name when meeting Eleven's mother, but the security guard is reading a novel with Stephen King's picture on the back whenever Hopper breaks into the Morgue to check out the fake body.

Now, what does this have to do with the DoE and Hopper? Well, it goes back to exactly what the Upside Down is. It's not a different universe. It's simply the other side of our own reality. It's not a different tightrope, its just the side that doesn't get sunlight.

It's the space between two spaces.

The fact that Eleven, as a prebuscent child without a fully developed brain, is able to get here already shows that once she gets more used to her powers (or finds a way to tap into them with more emotion, as she did when she turned 10 people's brains to mush at once) she will only get stronger. So, if she's only in the underbelly of our universe already what else could she do?

Entire other realities. Universes where the Cold War DID happen. Universes where Alexander the Great didn't die young and actually conquered all of the known world. Universes where Coca Cola never existed. Universes that are thousands of years further advanced in science and medicine, where a little girl isn't at risk of dying from a disease of any kind.

Hopper told them he wants to use Eleven to find an alternate universe where his daughter is still alive. And he said he would work with them, now in the stead of her evil "papa," to help her tap into her potential which was clearly raised once she developed feelings for Mike and his friends. And she is in the Upside Down now, not because she can't get out, but because she is staying there to both:
1. Prevent more creatures from coming through and develop her powers
2. work on opening holes there to other universes (because the stability of that part of our universe is clearly weaker than the normal one because the creature is able to break through easily, as are normal humans if they're fast enough.)

I think the season will start with her opening a hole to an entirely alternate universe (or finding more of the monsters/different monsters in the Upside Down) and it will cause ripples in the Upside Down and our own universe. Will is going to be the villain in the normal side for the most of the story, maybe even being fully possessed by an entity far smarter and more evil than the monster we saw, because never before has one of these creatures tried to cause gestation in humans, and it's only logical to think that a child of a human/monster hybrid will be smarter, or it could just outright be a more evil and sentient parasite that simply spawns more children and hides in the shadows and was even using the monster in the same way to find more hosts. I'm much more inclined to think the main bad creature wasn't the thing Eleven killed, but a Parasite/doppleganger as well because of the enormous implications this would cause (their friendship/circle being challenged enormously next season is a great way to go) and because the science teacher was watching The Thing whenever they called about how to build a sensory deprivation tank. You could pick ANY sci fi movie/horror movie to show there, but why the Thing? Because it, just like many of Steven King's Todash monsters, can turn into anything they want or take control of bodies out right after assimilating them.

I think Will gets solved by episode 7/8 and that's when we find out the real threat is still the new reality, and it gets solved/delayed in order to set us up for season 3, with a nearly mad to see his daughter Hopper either going into the universe himself or stealing her from the other causing who knows what kind of temporal disturbances
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You put some thought into that.
 
#160
#160
Daloth said:
I just watched seven episodes in a row today finally having a day off. I'm gonna post my crazy theory of what's coming/could happen here. It heavily relies on the writers influences for the show, mainly Spielberg and Stephen King, and the fact they've said they want season two to be remembered in the same way the second Indiana Jones and Terminator movies are remembered, and they want it to be vastly darker. HUGE spoilers here.

I think the deal Hopper made with the DoE wasn't just "Give us access to the gate AND keep everyone safe and we'll give you Eleven" He said, "You'll give us anything we want."

Hopper is a smart enough, and jaded enough, man to realize that when you've got the Government by the balls you go all in, and him being picked up right after the events by the DoE agents and him knowing about Eleven still being alive in the Upside Down only further shows he's now on the inside. But why is he on the inside? What does he have to gain and what would the DoE want with him if they didn't have to keep him around for something?

The fact is, they both still have something enormous to gain. Even bigger than what has happened so far.

This is where the Stephen King mythos comes in especially heavy. The first thing I thought of when they showed Eleven in the sensory chamber trying to spy on the Russians was "Hold up. this is Todash space. She's in Stephen King's Todash space."

Now, for those of you who don't read King heavily, Todash space is described by King as "A space between spaces, the cracks of all the universes, only the most vile and evil creatures exist here, and they don't truly live, they simply exist. To get here you have to be a powerful psychic/have access to insane technology, or be cursed by fate." For a famous comparison, Pennywise the Clown from IT lived in/existed in Todash space... and was one of the weaker creatures here. And furthermore, to get into Todash space you often times run into something he called a "thinny" or a weak spot in reality where the universes have eroded thin. A common side effect of thinnies (which can be hundreds of miles in size or the size of a dime) is a strange mist or weather phenomenon, similar to how all of the Upside Down is. The reason the creature never entered our world before was because creatures born in those spaces can't get out unless they get extremely powerful from devouring each other or from being contacted by people/things from other realities. Eleven touching it effectively "honed in" on our universe's frequency allowing it to start coming in and out.

I believe the King influences here are hinted at strongly because of the near perfect descriptions of Todash spaces and the fact of all the influences this story has, NONE are as out right obvious as all of the Stephen King ones. The show typing/lettering is exactly how his classic novels were done (the big bold red letters). The first episode Will is asked "You're not even scared of... clowns?" a direct reference to pennywise (just before he is abducted by a todash monster effectively.) The bullies call them "Those Losers", a pretty obvious reference to the Losers Club from IT as well, and the knife scene where the bully has Mike jump off a cliff is from IT also. But on top of that King not only gets called out by name when meeting Eleven's mother, but the security guard is reading a novel with Stephen King's picture on the back whenever Hopper breaks into the Morgue to check out the fake body.

Now, what does this have to do with the DoE and Hopper? Well, it goes back to exactly what the Upside Down is. It's not a different universe. It's simply the other side of our own reality. It's not a different tightrope, its just the side that doesn't get sunlight.

It's the space between two spaces.

The fact that Eleven, as a prebuscent child without a fully developed brain, is able to get here already shows that once she gets more used to her powers (or finds a way to tap into them with more emotion, as she did when she turned 10 people's brains to mush at once) she will only get stronger. So, if she's only in the underbelly of our universe already what else could she do?

Entire other realities. Universes where the Cold War DID happen. Universes where Alexander the Great didn't die young and actually conquered all of the known world. Universes where Coca Cola never existed. Universes that are thousands of years further advanced in science and medicine, where a little girl isn't at risk of dying from a disease of any kind.

Hopper told them he wants to use Eleven to find an alternate universe where his daughter is still alive. And he said he would work with them, now in the stead of her evil "papa," to help her tap into her potential which was clearly raised once she developed feelings for Mike and his friends. And she is in the Upside Down now, not because she can't get out, but because she is staying there to both:
1. Prevent more creatures from coming through and develop her powers
2. work on opening holes there to other universes (because the stability of that part of our universe is clearly weaker than the normal one because the creature is able to break through easily, as are normal humans if they're fast enough.)

I think the season will start with her opening a hole to an entirely alternate universe (or finding more of the monsters/different monsters in the Upside Down) and it will cause ripples in the Upside Down and our own universe. Will is going to be the villain in the normal side for the most of the story, maybe even being fully possessed by an entity far smarter and more evil than the monster we saw, because never before has one of these creatures tried to cause gestation in humans, and it's only logical to think that a child of a human/monster hybrid will be smarter, or it could just outright be a more evil and sentient parasite that simply spawns more children and hides in the shadows and was even using the monster in the same way to find more hosts. I'm much more inclined to think the main bad creature wasn't the thing Eleven killed, but a Parasite/doppleganger as well because of the enormous implications this would cause (their friendship/circle being challenged enormously next season is a great way to go) and because the science teacher was watching The Thing whenever they called about how to build a sensory deprivation tank. You could pick ANY sci fi movie/horror movie to show there, but why the Thing? Because it, just like many of Steven King's Todash monsters, can turn into anything they want or take control of bodies out right after assimilating them.

I think Will gets solved by episode 7/8 and that's when we find out the real threat is still the new reality, and it gets solved/delayed in order to set us up for season 3, with a nearly mad to see his daughter Hopper either going into the universe himself or stealing her from the other causing who knows what kind of temporal disturbances
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Interesting ideas. There's an interview with the Duffer Bro.s in Variety that in some ways is consistent with your theory and in other ways not.

The titles for the 9 episodes of Season 2 have been published. You may want to read them (I think a site called Screen Rant has them) to see how they jibe.
 
#161
#161
Daloth said:
I'm also very fond of the theory that

Eleven and the monster are the same, or at least the monster is another manifestation of her powers. You can think this because

1. She openly says "I am the monster" and she wouldn't say the sentence like that if it weren't true because of the whole "Friends never lie" thing they've built up and
2. They call the creature the Demogorogon constantly. Now we think it's just that its a D&D reference for the kids, but these writers don't just put things to put them. A Demogorgon in D&D mythology has two heads and the two heads constantly fight with each other otherwise it would most likely be strong enough to take over vastly more territory.

If this part turns out to be true, then I think there's a huge chance that the Hydra boss from the last campaign in the last episode could be a hint at the antagonist next season in Will. The hydra has seven heads and can grow new ones as the heads get cut off, like a host body produce more and more slugs that grow up into whatever fully adult versions of those creatures are (I do not believe in any way that the season 1 monster is what those slugs grow up into)
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Have seen this theory that in her explorations what she really found was her evil side and the revelation is what caused her overload opening the portal. When she "kills" the monster it is mirror imaging her hand with it's hand and of course they both go at once. Further, the speculation was that when dealing with humans she caused injuries from within - snapped a neck, broke an arm, caused brain trauma but with the monster she disintegrated it (and she with it).

Of course if it's just 2 sides of her it doesn't really explain the upside down which appears to be another plain of existence beyond a yin/yang of an individual and doesn't explain the Alien like egg hatch or using victims as hosts for more?
 
#162
#162
Here's another quickie theory about a part of the show (not my theory - just one I found interesting)

There never was a Barb. She is a representation of Nancy's innocent side. She gets taken by the monster at the same time Nancy loses her virginity. She is gone for good unlike Will who makes it out. No one is concerned about Barb except Nancy. Grist for the mill as they say
 
#163
#163
volinbham said:
Have seen this theory that in her explorations what she really found was her evil side and the revelation is what caused her overload opening the portal. When she "kills" the monster it is mirror imaging her hand with it's hand and of course they both go at once. Further, the speculation was that when dealing with humans she caused injuries from within - snapped a neck, broke an arm, caused brain trauma but with the monster she disintegrated it (and she with it).

Of course if it's just 2 sides of her it doesn't really explain the upside down which appears to be another plain of existence beyond a yin/yang of an individual and doesn't explain the Alien like egg hatch or using victims as hosts for more?
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I think you could explain it as her other side by saying she compartmentalized or manifested the creature as her evilness into another being as a form of identity disorder similar to schizophrenia due to the trauma of the experiments and drugs she had as a fetus. Most people with DID form identities for actual reasons and in response to trauma as a way to deal with it. The monster could be the side of her that allows her to kill so easily when she must, and would also explain why its nearly immortal except to her own powers, and now that she's merged with it she has to control it constantly instead of it being an entity unto itself, which would also explain why she has to stay on the other side.



volinbham said:
Here's another quickie theory about a part of the show (not my theory - just one I found interesting)

There never was a Barb. She is a representation of Nancy's innocent side. She gets taken by the monster at the same time Nancy loses her virginity. She is gone for good unlike Will who makes it out. No one is concerned about Barb except Nancy. Grist for the mill as they say
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The show writers also said somewhere that Barb will be mentioned much more next season and that she is not some one off character. I'm both cool with that and a bit bummed because one of the classic 80's tropes is that you always have several characters who might be interesting just die early and that be the end of it in all horror movies.
 
#164
#164
volinbham said:
Here's another quickie theory about a part of the show (not my theory - just one I found interesting)

There never was a Barb. She is a representation of Nancy's innocent side. She gets taken by the monster at the same time Nancy loses her virginity. She is gone for good unlike Will who makes it out. No one is concerned about Barb except Nancy. Grist for the mill as they say
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That is very interesting.
 
#165
#165
volinbham said:
Interesting ideas. There's an interview with the Duffer Bro.s in Variety that in some ways is consistent with your theory and in other ways not.

The titles for the 9 episodes of Season 2 have been published. You may want to read them (I think a site called Screen Rant has them) to see how they jibe.
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Based on the titles of season 2 I think we could see something like this. It doesn't fully incorporate many of my thoughts from season one, but its just a summation based on how these writers go.

9 1 "Madmax"

We start in medias res in the future with **** going wrong and flash backs to the past to slowly set us up for it, but the episodes following stay in the past to set us up for what's happening.

10 2 "The Boy Who Came Back to Life"

Will is naturally going to be both a local celebrity and made fun of. And this is where we find out he's truly evil for now.
11 3 "The Pumpkin Patch"

Obvious reference to Pumpkinhead I feel, another cult classic 80's horror movie. We might even find out that the slugs/parasites can control any living thing so long as it's organic.

12 4 "The Palace"

New government building for the study of what's going on OR it's something they find in the Upside Down, which in a way would be even more terrifying. It's worth noting that in Stephen King's the Lost Tower Series (where we learn what Todash space is, about most alternate universes, etc.) there is a book where they run into an enormous replica of the Wizard of Oz Palace where the main character's nemesis is hiding out currently. This place is notorious because the road to get there is filled with thinnies that lead to other dimensions, just hundreds of them. This place might be where they are doing the universal entry breaching.

13 5 "The Storm"

Classic horror movie trope. The government or evil entity will try and use the power of a storm to do something evil, or the storm itself will trap the group in a very dangerous situation with creatures or each other, especially if Will is trying to hide what he is still but he has to feed or is losing control.

14 6 "The Pollywog"

The slugs will grow up into something different than the original monster. This will be what they call the grown up versions and this will be where we see it really well.

15 7 "The Secret Cabin"

Further Pumpkinhead references here, as well as an Evil Dead reference possibly. It possibly might only exist in the Upside Down. We find a government agent hiding in a place like this or we find out it's the entry to a secret lab or testing place which leads us to..

16 8 "The Brain"

This will be the Queen creature that controls the slugs. we already know that there are multiple slugs out there and they gestate pretty quickly (Will got his within hours, Barb got hers quickly too) so it's only fair to say they are like ants or other hive insects. They'll explain her hive mind powers to the kids as being like a giant brain and the insects are extensions of her body. And the Government will want to use her enormous psychic abilities to help Eleven continue her path of evolution in her powers OR they want her because they think she's more useful than Eleven. Creatures like this also fit in the Stephen King mythos very well.

17 9 "The Lost Brother"

This is what gets me. I read this episode and I thought two things. The first immediate thought was "****, Eleven has a twin brother who also has psychic powers and he might be stuck in the upside down, stolen by another agency, or who knows what and he comes back and is just an evil Eleven."

But then I thought that'd be too easy and simple. And I realized what if it were far more convoluted than that? The first episode is called Madmax. But its not two words like the movies. Which means its either code for something or they want us to ignore it.

I think the lost brother will be named Max, and he might even be Hopper's brother never mentioned before up until now because he works for the Government high up the ladder (which would also explain Hopper's leverage, and how he can somehow disarm so many guards so easily despite at most being a "Big city cop" before.) Max will be a truly evil person and save whatever the evil creature left is to take control of it, and very likely, kill someone in the cast we love and kidnap Eleven and Mike (because by this point, they'll need Mike to keep Eleven from killing everyone because of her powers.)
 
#173
#173
Started this last night and now 3 episodes in. Very fun watch for sure. Sucks that season 2 doesnt come out till 17.
 
#174
#174
Just finished it. I liked it for sure but saw the season go from X Files in episode 1 to Goonies in episode 8. Kids save the day and adults are stupid.
 
#175
#175
I just got into this show this week. I'm totally hooked! The whole early 80's retro vibe, they absolutely nail it in this show! Will next season be set in a similar time period or will they be in a different decade?
 
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