Strong to Texas

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I watched the highlights of his press conference on espn. I liked a couple things he said. He talked about how at Florida they had a recruiting class with a bunch of 5* and 4*, but less than 10 lasted all 4 years. Then, he said Bridgewater was a 5* when Miami, lsu, and other powerhouses wanted him. When he committed to Louisville they dropped him to 4*, but he was still the same player.
 
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Texas money-man Red McCombs went on Austin radio and expressed his displeasure with the hire. Said Strong would make a good position coach. He refrained from referring to Strong as 'boy', but only through massive self-control.

Also said he'd had multiple talks with Jon Gruden, and guaranteed that Gruden would have stayed at Texas for fifteen years and won a minimum of five national championships. But Texas simply wouldn't wait for McCombs to seal the deal with Gruden.
 
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bamawriter said:
Also said he'd had multiple talks with Jon Gruden, and guaranteed that Gruden would have stayed at Texas for fifteen years and won a minimum of five national championships. But Texas simply wouldn't wait for McCombs to seal the deal with Gruden.
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This sounds pretty familiar. Did you just copy and paste this from one Tennessee's gruden threads?
 
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volberry said:
and that is the problem!! all the big programs are doing it to get a great coach.
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Really?

Dantonio makes $1.9 million a year, he's shown himself to be capable

George O'Leary makes $1.5 million in base salary and he took UCF to a BCS Bowl and won.

Gary Pinkel makes $2.8 million a year and Mizzou just about went to the National Championship game.

Tim DeRuyter makes $650,000 and Fresno State was ranked all year

On the other hand, Bret Bielema makes over $5 million a year and Arkansas is still a dumpster fire.

Urban Meyer makes over $4 million a year and didn't win any games against capable opponents

Mack Brown made $5.3 million a year and Texas was on the down slide

Higher coaching salaries don't always equate to better performance.
 
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No team/program can stay on top every year, regardless of the salary.

Having a pedigree ie conference and national championships ups a coaches value on the market. No guarantee that paying big bucks for a proven winner will be successful, but IMO it is a much safer bet, and less expensive in the long run, than trying to get a bargain with a potential up and comer like Lane Kiffin.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Really?

Dantonio makes $1.9 million a year, he's shown himself to be capable

George O'Leary makes $1.5 million in base salary and he took UCF to a BCS Bowl and won.

Gary Pinkel makes $2.8 million a year and Mizzou just about went to the National Championship game.

Tim DeRuyter makes $650,000 and Fresno State was ranked all year

On the other hand, Bret Bielema makes over $5 million a year and Arkansas is still a dumpster fire.

Urban Meyer makes over $4 million a year and didn't win any games against capable opponents

Mack Brown made $5.3 million a year and Texas was on the down slide

Higher coaching salaries don't always equate to better performance.
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most of those teams aren't considered top tier programs like ours used to be. some of those coaches have bcs titles on their resume and deserve it. my point is ut doesn't even try! no way all these coaching changes happen and all we get are mid tier coaches. i would take dantoni in a heartbeat and give him 3 mill. not short change a good coach.
 
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volberry said:
most of those teams aren't considered top tier programs like ours used to be. some of those coaches have bcs titles on their resume and deserve it. my point is ut doesn't even try! no way all these coaching changes happen and all we get are mid tier coaches. i would take dantoni in a heartbeat and give him 3 mill. not short change a good coach.
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I think you are ignoring the simple laws of economics my friend. In order to pay a coach more, you kinda have to win and make money. Something the athletic department hasn't really done in the past five plus years.

Simply put, UT cannot afford a coach demanding $5+ million a year base salary and another $3+ for staff. Not without significant cuts elsewhere.

And sometimes waving a bag of cash around doesn't do any good either (ask Texas). How many coaches turned them down or made statements they were committed to the programs they were at? And how many did it to us? If money was such a big deal, why didn't any of the top five coaches Texas was seeking break speed records trying to get to Austin.

Money isn't everything see? Just because a coach is paid a lot doesn't mean they will win. Again, look at Meyer or Brown this year.
 
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bamawriter said:
Texas money-man Red McCombs went on Austin radio and expressed his displeasure with the hire. Said Strong would make a good position coach. He refrained from referring to Strong as 'boy', but only through massive self-control.

Also said he'd had multiple talks with Jon Gruden, and guaranteed that Gruden would have stayed at Texas for fifteen years and won a minimum of five national championships. But Texas simply wouldn't wait for McCombs to seal the deal with Gruden.
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Not making friends with AD Peterson he is. Needs to check that ego and fall in line, I have a feeling that the politics and fallout from this hire will be fascinating.

McCombs loved him some Mack Brown, publicly blamed Texas' last season in having a "half-gimp" QB.
 
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volberry said:
most of those teams aren't considered top tier programs like ours used to be. some of those coaches have bcs titles on their resume and deserve it. my point is ut doesn't even try! no way all these coaching changes happen and all we get are mid tier coaches. i would take dantoni in a heartbeat and give him 3 mill. not short change a good coach.
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Texas just paid 5 million a year for a mid-tier coach.
 
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Texas money-man Red McCombs went on Austin radio and expressed his displeasure with the hire. Said Strong would make a good position coach.
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He said this on radio in San Antonio today too.

He also added they over paid for Strong but when he saw what the two men that made the hire make (Patterson & Powers) he understood why.
 
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bamawriter said:
Texas money-man Red McCombs went on Austin radio and expressed his displeasure with the hire. Said Strong would make a good position coach. He refrained from referring to Strong as 'boy', but only through massive self-control.

Also said he'd had multiple talks with Jon Gruden, and guaranteed that Gruden would have stayed at Texas for fifteen years and won a minimum of five national championships. But Texas simply wouldn't wait for McCombs to seal the deal with Gruden.
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After reading this I thought this was written by the Onion... Those crazy ass oilmen of Tejas
 
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Saying he could be a good position coach and MAYBE a good coordinator is not only uncalled for it's utterly moronic. The guy ran a top 5 defense for years as a DC in the best conference in CFB and guided UofL to the top ranked defense this past year. Everything is relative. When Charlie had equal to or better talent than his opponents he won big (not big meaning margin of victory) and still more than competed when rebuilding the UofL foundation. News flash Red, he'll have equal to or better talent than every Big 12 program with maybe OU being the only exception.

He may not kiss everyone's ass like those rich bastards want, but I don't see anyway he's not competing for conference titles every year in the matter of a yr or two.
 
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I liked this quote to end the article

"I don't see how they can miss," McCombs told the paper. "They can get anyone they want. They can close their eyes and go 'Eeny-meeny-miny-moe' and end up with someone good."

This was the week prior to the hiring
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Saying he could be a good position coach and MAYBE a good coordinator is not only uncalled for it's utterly moronic. The guy ran a top 5 defense for years as a DC in the best conference in CFB and guided UofL to the top ranked defense this past year. Everything is relative. When Charlie had equal to or better talent than his opponents he won big (not big meaning margin of victory) and still more than competed when rebuilding the UofL foundation. News flash Red, he'll have equal to or better talent than every Big 12 program with maybe OU being the only exception.

He may not kiss everyone's ass like those rich bastards want, but I don't see anyway he's not competing for conference titles every year in the matter of a yr or two.
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Suggesting Charlie would be a "good position coach" was a kick in the face.
 
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I think CS already has the Alums against Him(it seems that way to me)at Texas. I think Texas will be looking for another Head Coach in three seasons when the Shorthorns are still stuck on the 8-4 cycle.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Saying he could be a good position coach and MAYBE a good coordinator is not only uncalled for it's utterly moronic. The guy ran a top 5 defense for years as a DC in the best conference in CFB and guided UofL to the top ranked defense this past year. Everything is relative. When Charlie had equal to or better talent than his opponents he won big (not big meaning margin of victory) and still more than competed when rebuilding the UofL foundation. News flash Red, he'll have equal to or better talent than every Big 12 program with maybe OU being the only exception.

He may not kiss everyone's ass like those rich bastards want, but I don't see anyway he's not competing for conference titles every year in the matter of a yr or two.
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The statements of them having better talent than say Baylor and OSU is frankly antequated thinking. The rising of younger agressive coaches and more parity in college football with the 85 rule has evened the playing field. These factors combined with many teams investing more in football so they can get their share of the revenue is what is causing the rise of these other previously noncompetitive programs, ie Vandy.

Both UT's struggle with the similar problems and many traditional powerhouses are now having to adjust their paradigms to remain relevant.

I do agree with Red and would not have hired Strong. Most certainly would have delved into the pro ranks as the job has more similarities. I will be shocked if Strong can weather the storm there if things go poorly and Texas talent has very frequently been misjudged by recruiting.
 
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I know next to nothing about Charlie Strong but he seems like a competent coach and a good enough guy. If it is true (and I have no idea if it is!) that he does not care for participating in all of the ancillary duties that a big time coach is expected to be up for then he might be in for a rough time unless he can adapt.

This is based on little more than my imagining that boosters who toss 10's or even 100's of millions at the school expect both access to and promotion from their coach. CS apparently is not all about the glad handling / booster festivities (based on some crap I heard about his time at Louisville).
 
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