Sudden Death Syndrome

What's causing the increase in sudden death and heart attacks

  • It's definitely being caused by the vaccine

    Votes: 45 34.1%

  • It's being caused by the virus itself

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • It could be either of the above

    Votes: 45 34.1%

  • I don't question the safety of the vaccine

    Votes: 3 2.3%

  • I like pie

    Votes: 24 18.2%

  • There is no increase in sudden deaths and you conspiracy theorists are just super paranoid

    Votes: 15 11.4%
  • Total voters
    132
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8-year-old Argentina girl Yasmina Antonella Guevara became unwell after the Covid jab and passed away on January 11, 2023.
 
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DuckInAPen said:
People die "with covid" due to preexisting conditions. People die "with preexisting conditions" due to the covid vaccine.
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Honest question. Are these people who are posting on social media about losing family members to adverse reactions to the vaccine just lying for attention? What about the documented deaths from the jab. Also what's your thoughts on the fact that
35,702 Vaccine Deaths in VAERS Since 1990 – 32,052 of those Deaths Followed COVID Shots in Last 2-3Years? Does that not throw up a huge red flag? Also the fact that so many high profile scientists and doctors who were warning about the safety of the vaccine have been silenced and sensored on social media by people who are not scientists and doctors. People can't just continue to turn a blind eye to the fact that the vaccine that's been pushed onto an entire population has ended badly for quite a few people.
 
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VolinWayne said:
Honest question. Are these people who are posting on social media about losing family members to adverse reactions to the vaccine just lying for attention? What about the documented deaths from the jab. Also what's your thoughts on the fact that
35,702 Vaccine Deaths in VAERS Since 1990 – 32,052 of those Deaths Followed COVID Shots in Last 2-3Years? Does that not throw up a huge red flag? Also the fact that so many high profile scientists and doctors who were warning about the safety of the vaccine have been silenced and sensored on social media by people who are not scientists and doctors. People can't just continue to turn a blind eye to the fact that the vaccine that's been pushed onto an entire population has ended badly for quite a few people.
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There are no documented deaths from the jab bc again, you have zero idea how many of those people had covid at some point as well. So you have no idea if the death is from the vaccine or from issues caused by the virus.
 
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MarcoVol said:
There are no documented deaths from the jab bc again, you have zero idea how many of those people had covid at some point as well. So you have no idea if the death is from the vaccine or from issues caused by the virus.
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Saying there are no documented deaths from the covid jab is an outright lie and you know it
 
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VolinWayne said:
Saying there are no documented deaths from the covid jab is an outright lie and you know it
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There can’t be documented deaths from the jab bc you don’t know who has had the jab + had Covid. And we don’t know the long term effects of Covid. But we do know there are health issues tied to Covid, especially heart issues.
 
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MarcoVol said:
There can’t be documented deaths from the jab bc you don’t know who has had the jab + had Covid. And we don’t know the long term effects of Covid. But we do know there are health issues tied to Covid, especially heart issues.
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Wow, what a convenient outcome for Pfizer and Moderna.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Wow, what a convenient outcome for Pfizer and Moderna.
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And on the other hand, also a convenient argument for those who say the jab is to blame. There were already documented large rises in cardiac deaths YOY 2019 to 2020 pre-vaccine.

None of the “the jab causes sudden cardiac death” folks ever talk about that.

And this is not an endorsement of pharma companies.
 
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MarcoVol said:
And on the other hand, also a convenient argument for those who say the jab is to blame. There were already documented large rises in cardiac deaths YOY 2019 to 2020 pre-vaccine.

None of the “the jab causes sudden cardiac death” folks ever talk about that.

And this is not an endorsement of pharma companies.
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One side consists of pharmaceutical companies who are motivated by financials and the other group is motivated by health concerns. These two groups are not equivalent.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
One side consists of pharmaceutical companies who are motivated by financials and the other group is motivated by health concerns. These two groups are not equivalent.
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Both sides are motivated by $$$. The anti-vax insurance guy, Dowd, is setting up an investment fund that is shorting life insurance companies and he is actively looking for investors. RFK Jr (for decades) and McCullough are both in it for the $$$.

It's why I put more faith in @kiddiedoc 's opinions than those 3 since the financial angle isn't relevant...
 
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SamRebel35 said:
One side consists of pharmaceutical companies who are motivated by financials and the other group is motivated by health concerns. These two groups are not equivalent.
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But the information is the same. Regardless of who is on the sides.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
You think the anti-vaxxers are solely motivated by health concerns? 🤣
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First of all, stop labeling everyone who has concerns about this particular vaccine as an anti-vaxxer. There is a huge difference between this experimental vaccine and the majority of every other vaccine thats ever went through extensive testing. Exactly what else should motivate us besides for health concerns? Do "anti-vaxxers just enjoy being sensored and belittled on social media. Do you think we really enjoy being labeled as tinfoil conspiracy theorists? If somebody is supposed to be compensating me for my time apparantly I'm doing this all wrong.
 
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I've observed (anecdotally) that there's a high correlation between those who believe that most unexpected deaths are attributable to covid vaccines and those who believed that most deaths attributed to covid were attributable primarily or wholly to preexisting conditions rather than to the novel virus and who were resistant even to non-pharmacological efforts to arrest its spread. This correlation (again, observed anecdotally) suggests to me that most who attribute the bulk of unexpected deaths to covid vaccines are drawn to their conclusion more by prior emotional/social/philosophical/political commitments than by an impartial sifting of evidence. That was the force of my comment.

VolinWayne said:
Honest question. Are these people who are posting on social media about losing family members to adverse reactions to the vaccine just lying for attention?
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I believe that, on the whole, they are neither seeking attention nor lying (inasmuch as a lie is not simply a falsehood, but a falsehood knowingly uttered with the intent to deceive). At the same time, I believe that few of those who report the death of a loved one have good reason to conclude (rather than merely suspect) that the death was caused by a vaccine (which is not to say that a vaccine did not in fact cause that death). It's natural for us to seek to understand why a person we had thought healthy has died or fallen terribly ill without warning. In a population in which most have received at least one dose, covid vaccines provide an easy (which is not to say untrue) answer.

What about the documented deaths from the jab.
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Tell me more about them. How many have there been? By whom were they documented? By what standard was a covid vaccine judged to be their cause?

Also what's your thoughts on the fact that
35,702 Vaccine Deaths in VAERS Since 1990 – 32,052 of those Deaths Followed COVID Shots in Last 2-3Years? Does that not throw up a huge red flag?
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If people are reporting vaccine injuries, those reports should be taken seriously and explored thoroughly. My *hypothesis* is that the recent massive upsurge in deaths reported there is a function of the power of suggestion (no previous vaccine has been politicized to the same degree; indeed, one's attitude toward covid and public response to it has -- irrationally, in my view -- become a shibboleth for his political commitments). That's merely my hypothesis, but I don't see that it's in any way less defensible or likely than the hypothesis that most unexpected deaths should be attributed to covid vaccines.

Also the fact that so many high profile scientists and doctors who were warning about the safety of the vaccine have been silenced and sensored on social media by people who are not scientists and doctors.
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I don't support the implementation of censorship on social media platforms that have acquired something like the nature of a public utility. At the same time, we should not fail to consider that the nature of social media and the internet in general is to create a de facto censorship in the individual mind, inasmuch as they encourage our tendency toward bias confirmation and the avoidance of information and perspectives different from our own prior commitments.

People can't just continue to turn a blind eye to the fact that the vaccine that's been pushed onto an entire population has ended badly for quite a few people.
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Whether or not it is a fact is what is in dispute.
 
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MarcoVol said:
There can’t be documented deaths from the jab bc you don’t know who has had the jab + had Covid. And we don’t know the long term effects of Covid. But we do know there are health issues tied to Covid, especially heart issues.
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Do you see any problem with this?
 
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MarcoVol said:
And on the other hand, also a convenient argument for those who say the jab is to blame. There were already documented large rises in cardiac deaths YOY 2019 to 2020 pre-vaccine.

None of the “the jab causes sudden cardiac death” folks ever talk about that.

And this is not an endorsement of pharma companies.
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What did the evidence say about the YOY rise? Was it drugs or lifestyle? I’m curious.

I took two shots of the Moderna vaccine and am open to studies, but also want studies done to see the damage the man-made Covid virus has done to people.
 
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headhunter15 said:
It does seem like this is on the news almost every few days. Whether it’s from having the Covid virus itself or the vaccine, we may never know.

I still wonder what effects people will be seeing from having a man-made virus.

Another thing I wonder about with regards to the vaccine: over 5.5 billion people are vaccinated. Do people against the vaccine actually believe that all of us vaccinated people are going to die in the next couple of years?
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I have heat intolerance post covid. My sinus issues seemed to have doubled down on irritating me and it’s not even spring. I have those remnants after a really bad case.
My main concern is those who have long term effects from both are treated properly. I’ve never shamed someone for getting what they believed to be in their best interest if they were fully informed. Problem being, we weren’t fully informed.
 
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