Sudden Death Syndrome

[Orangeslice13]

Huge veggie lover. Just not vegetarian or vegan. However, with the right summer veggies harvesting I can thoroughly enjoy a meatless meal without complaint. Give me maters or give me death. And strawberries for good measure. It's tit for tat to me concerning pork and other "uncleans." OT, yes it was ruled out. NT, God/Jesus said to one of his apostles how can you call unclean that which I have made clean. And we weren't swapping body parts at the time.

My biggest loss to maintaining the cardio side of my health is no longer visiting the gym, or any kind of cardio exercise. As a guy that was excessively active when younger, I've not maintained it. Though I never got into jogging. Shin splints always. And I just couldn't find a way to like it. I was a sprinter. A baseball/soft ball guy. Mountain river fisherman. Outdoorsman. And for a while a dedicated gym user. I worked evening shift at the mill. Single. Alternated my days either in the gym, or on the course walking 9 holes. Golf is very affordable and kind of healthy when you walk the course.

For refernce on my view on pork, etc:
In the Bible, the phrase "how can you call unclean" is most prominently found in Acts 10:15, where it essentially means "do not consider something unclean that God has declared clean," referring to the idea that God can purify what was previously considered impure, and therefore humans should not label things as unclean that God has made clean; this is often used in the context of food laws, where certain animals were considered unclean by Jewish tradition but God revealed to Peter that he should eat them.

This verse appears in a story where Peter has a vision where he is told to eat foods that were considered unclean according to Jewish dietary laws.

The voice in the vision tells Peter "What God has made clean, do not call unclean".

This is often interpreted as a message about God's sovereignty over what is considered clean or unclean, and that humans should not impose their own restrictions beyond what God has explicitly stated.

Again, I don't care if someone practices Kosher or whatever for any reason. It's not a big deal. And certainly not unhealthy. IMO, as a ban, I feel God repealed the label. It's a personal choice.

We can have this conversation somewhere else if you like
I would enjoy it and you can clearly have it with out being butthurt but this isn’t the place for it imo.
Edit: first paragraph I pretty much agree with

 

[GVF]

@Orangeslice13

BTW, I never got around to confiscating some of your blackberries and raspberries, but I did pick up some Caroline raspberry, and some Sweet Ark Ponca blackberry. Best blackberry I've ever tasted. Unreal.

 

[Orangeslice13]

@Orangeslice13

BTW, I never got around to confiscating some of your blackberries and raspberries, but I did pick up some Caroline raspberry, and some Sweet Ark Ponca blackberry. Best blackberry I've ever tasted. Unreal.

I had issues this year and failed to keep everything watered so the crop was way down. I may run out of blackberries this year. It’s awful when you do this to yourself

 

[GVF]

There are things that I love that I avoid as staying healthy is more important. I don’t think there is anything at any fast food place that I can eat.
Outside of the unclean meat we’re pretty much in alignment

We grew up with a garden in the back yard. Family of 5 on 50K (before dad took the position he retired in which came with a much better salary for the time in Ag) in the 80's was not wealthy. Summers were spent prepping fresh veggies for mom on the back patio before any other activities were allowed. We had pecan trees, plum trees, apple trees. What we didn't have dad would bring home from the Experiment Station after the trial grows. There are GA Peaches. Then there are UGA Experiment Station GA Peaches. So, mom made and put up tons of stuff. Canned veggies, pickle crocks all over the kitchen, etc. Only store bought cereal was corn flakes, raisin bran, and rice krispies. No Cap'n Crunch and the like. And the ultra processing didn't start taking hold till the 70's and 80's, so our eating habits, and what was bought in the store, was more akin to what we still ship outside the US to other countries. By world standards, we were still obese as a nation, but not like today.

I got away from it for many years, but as I rooted down in my own homes, I got back into my own gardening. And the last few years began watching alot of the regenerative farming stuff and the diet stuff. It's amazing what effects returning to historical diets can do for diabetes, obesity, autism, etc. The good fats in meats that are true brain foods that we were brainwashed to eliminate from our diet, etc. It's eye opening. And it's not conspiracy.

I now have two apple trees, a peach, a cherry bush, 2 figs, 5 blue berries, a blackberry, a raspberry and a grape. And a fledgling strawberry patch. Plus the wild blackberry and elderberry on the edges of my fields. Fortunately I love all those to begin with. Coming up on years 2 and 3 for most of those so excited about the coming season to see what I get. And I am a homegrown tomato fanatic.

 

[GVF]

I had issues this year and failed to keep everything watered so the crop was way down. I may run out of blackberries this year. It’s awful when you do this to yourself

You should hit some local garden centers, not big box, and find the Sweet Ark Ponca Blackberry and add to your arsenal. You won't be disappointed. It's not a brambler. It grows off one main sturdy base, like a bush. And you prune and maintain off those shoots. Bring bush type, you don't whack it to the ground at end of season. And the sweetness and flavor is basically #1 of blackberries. It's of the Prime Ark varieties developed by U of Ark.

 

[GVF]

We can have this conversation somewhere else if you like
I would enjoy it and you can clearly have it with out being butthurt but this isn’t the place for it imo.
Edit: first paragraph I pretty much agree with

We've had plenty of not butthurt conversations on our differences and likenesses, most of which are not so different. But, I also came to understand you are Messianic/Hebron and not orthdox/jew cause of lineage, and I know where you sent your kids to school, and surprisingly for each of our chosen "religions" so to speak, we're much more alike than different. Others can have whatever opinion they want of you for whatever reason. If we were neighbors, we'd likley also be good friends. We've got each others numbers. We can go to text mode if needed. I can even remember your actual name cause I know a preacher friend in K'Town by exact same name.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Way better than drinking alcohol

Source?

 

[Orangeslice13]

We grew up with a garden in the back yard. Family of 5 on 50K (before dad took the position he retired in which came with a much better salary for the time in Ag) in the 80's was not wealthy. Summers were spent prepping fresh veggies for mom on the back patio before any other activities were allowed. We had pecan trees, plum trees, apple trees. What we didn't have dad would bring home from the Experiment Station after the trial grows. There are GA Peaches. Then there are UGA Experiment Station GA Peaches. So, mom made and put up tons of stuff. Canned veggies, pickle crocks all over the kitchen, etc. Only store bought cereal was corn flakes, raisin bran, and rice krispies. No Cap'n Crunch and the like. And the ultra processing didn't start taking hold till the 70's and 80's, so our eating habits, and what was bought in the store, was more akin to what we still ship outside the US to other countries. By world standards, we were still obese as a nation, but not like today.

I got away from it for many years, but as I rooted down in my own homes, I got back into my own gardening. And the last few years began watching alot of the regenerative farming stuff and the diet stuff. It's amazing what effects returning to historical diets can do for diabetes, obesity, autism, etc. The good fats in meats that are true brain foods that we were brainwashed to eliminate from our diet, etc. It's eye opening. And it's not conspiracy.

I now have two apple trees, a peach, a cherry bush, 2 figs, 5 blue berries, a blackberry, a raspberry and a grape. And a fledgling strawberry patch. Plus the wild blackberry and elderberry on the edges of my fields. Fortunately I love all those to begin with. Coming up on years 2 and 3 for most of those so excited about the coming season to see what I get. And I am a homegrown tomato fanatic.

It’s amazing how the fewer the ingredients and the least amount of preservatives means a healthier body

 

[Orangeslice13]

Source?

I’ll tag you later.

 

[Orangeburst]

That’s just it.
There’s interpretation in play.
Cheese on your burger doesn’t violate Torah in principle. Storing them together does. You don’t need Torah to know storing meat and cheese together is a bad idea.
As far as eating pig and shellfish goes….. that’s just bad for you, again you don’t need Torah to know that. It’s your choice to do as you please. And you’re not lying to yourself about it either. You like it so it’s more important to you than the health benefits of avoiding it. And it may not be as big a problem for you as it is for others as you do it in moderation. That’s really up to you to decide.

But that’s the point isn’t it. What do people who live longer do?

does storing a cheesebuger in my stomach count?

 

[marcusluvsvols]

You understand I didn't compile the data on blue zones, right?
I'll admit you guys had a good run from Adam through the great flood but it hasn't been all that impressive since.

To be fair...the just got their country back like 75 years ago...and even looking at satellite images from space: theres this one green spot in the whole Middle East, completely surrounded by desert sand. That little green spot is our Sneaky Jew Brothers. They used their sneaky skills to actually you know...irrigate...and therefore they have green grass, plants, veggies, farms and healthy livestock etc. Instead of like camel riding in the desert and starvation with sand all up in their muslim buttcracks and whatnot...like everyone around them which have had several thousand years to do the same thing, but instead they were like humping goats and marrying their sisters and such. So the arab muslim countries are not only desert sand, their people are actually SO incredibly inbred that their infants have in some cases several thousand times as likely occurrence of severe birth defects ranging from things like cleft pallets to extreme mental disabilities with IQs so low they cannot even understand the tests to take them. Its actually very sad. When I read the statistics on birth defects in the muslim world due to inbreeding I was both astonished and very sad for the children. So compared to their neighbors, Isreal is actually amazingly successful. They definitely had a horrible time up until post WW2 though. Seems like since then, theyve actually done a much better job running their country than we have lol...and have won every war theyve been in despite getting jumped terribly in the 6 Day War in particular. We have had pretty crappy results in the same timeframe, but really shouldn't have been in hardly any of our skirmishes since Korea if we are being honest. Wish we fought more like the IDF does. They fight to win, rather than enrich politicians and the MIC. Lmao.

 

[Orangeslice13]

does storing a cheesebuger in my stomach count?

Nope. You’re still good

 

[Orangeslice13]

@SpaceCoastVol
The big study from Harvard health is still not released or reviewed. So we sit and wait on that but there’s this.

Which is worse? Alcohol or marijuana?

Which is worse? Alcohol or marijuana? It's a modern-day question that sparks conversations everywhere, especially with more states legalizing recreational marijuana.

www.uchealth.org

The list of reasons why weed is better than alcohol is extensive.
(My biased opinion is because I’m a recovering alcoholic 15 years sober) and I smoke weed once or twice a year when I see my brother in New York.
-alcohol is way more addictive than weed
-you can overdose on alcohol but not weed
-alcohol drives negative behavior and weed does not
-liver disease, cancer and heart disease are associated with alcohol consumption. Weed not so much.
-alcohol has to be manufactured, weed grows everywhere.
while neither is a healthy alternative, it’s difficult to find any situation where alcohol isn’t worse for you than weed.

 

[Orangeslice13]

If heath is your priority then you probably should not do either

 

[Orangeburst]

If heath is your priority then you probably should not do either

if heath is a priority, does that make one a heathen?

@McDad GoldJerry!

 

[Orangeslice13]

if heath is a priority, does that make one a heathen?

I’m not sure if the two are mutually exclusive

 

[Orangeslice13]

Lol

 

[PKT_VOL]

@SpaceCoastVol
The big study from Harvard health is still not released or reviewed. So we sit and wait on that but there’s this.

Which is worse? Alcohol or marijuana?

Which is worse? Alcohol or marijuana? It's a modern-day question that sparks conversations everywhere, especially with more states legalizing recreational marijuana.

www.uchealth.org

The list of reasons why weed is better than alcohol is extensive.
(My biased opinion is because I’m a recovering alcoholic 15 years sober) and I smoke weed once or twice a year when I see my brother in New York.
-alcohol is way more addictive than weed
-you can overdose on alcohol but not weed
-alcohol drives negative behavior and weed does not
-liver disease, cancer and heart disease are associated with alcohol consumption. Weed not so much.
-alcohol has to be manufactured, weed grows everywhere.
while neither is a healthy alternative, it’s difficult to find any situation where alcohol isn’t worse for you than weed.

In fairness, I think it's less of whether one is better than the other and more of which can an individual enjoy in moderation.

 

[Orangeslice13]

In fairness, I think it's less of whether one is better than the other and more of which can an individual enjoy in moderation.

That’s a fair distinction.
I’d still argue the weed is “less harmful “ than alcohol

 

[just bob]

Everything is bad for you. Drink enough water it'll kill you too.

 

[PKT_VOL]

That’s a fair distinction.
I’d still argue the weed is “less harmful “ than alcohol

50 years ago? I'd agree.

With the rise of mental illness and the proliferation of high potency THC in ever more increasingly efficient ways to ingest, the relative harms between the two have been rapidly converging.

 

[Orangeslice13]

50 years ago? I'd agree.

With the rise of mental illness and the proliferation of high potency THC in ever more increasingly efficient ways to ingest, the relative harms between the two have been rapidly converging.

You would not.
You’re maybe 35-38 years old. 50 years ago I was 5 , in kindergarten, arguing about apple vs orange juice

 

[Orangeslice13]

50 years ago? I'd agree.

With the rise of mental illness and the proliferation of high potency THC in ever more increasingly efficient ways to ingest, the relative harms between the two have been rapidly converging.

Damn ….flight of ideas took me back 12-15 years ago. Do you remember the convergence of mass conversation we were having it the “how did life begin “ thread.

We talked pretty serious things back then. Now we’ve been reduced to weed vs alcohol. We need TRUT to settle this for us.




This has been a walk down memory lane with Grandpa Slice

 

[Orangeslice13]

50 years ago? I'd agree.

With the rise of mental illness and the proliferation of high potency THC in ever more increasingly efficient ways to ingest, the relative harms between the two have been rapidly converging.

And…..would you say that mental illness is on the rise or with the availability of information, it’s just an escalation of awareness?