Sudden Death Syndrome

[Orangeslice13]

You understand I didn't compile the data on blue zones, right?
I'll admit you guys had a good run from Adam through the great flood but it hasn't been all that impressive since.

Research it or don’t.
Those who eat kosher live longer.
That’s just a simple fact.

 

[McDad]

Research it or don’t.
Those who eat kosher live longer.
That’s just a simple fact.

Well I'm not researching.
If you wanna provide sources since you are well-versed, I'll look them over.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Well I'm not researching.
If you wanna provide sources since you are well-versed, I'll look them over.

Hard pass.
I don’t waste time convincing people of things they don’t want to know. I just throw seeds …..what happens after that isn’t up to me.

A wise teacher once said.
“Ask and you will receive
Seek and you will find
Knock and it will be opened to you.”
Look it up….or don’t…..but in all things you are responsible for you.

 

[McDad]

Hard pass.
I don’t waste time convincing people of things they don’t want to know. I just throw seeds …..what happens after that isn’t up to me.

A wise teacher once said.
“Ask and you will receive
Seek and you will find
Knock and it will be opened to you.”
Look it up….or don’t…..but in all things you are responsible for you.

It's an interesting and rather arrogant position. When I possess knowledge that is beneficial to others and they ask for it, I provide it.
You, on the other hand would rather I go searching for the information blindly even though I asked you to share.
I appreciate you being a blessing to others. Thanks.

 

[Orangeslice13]

It's an interesting and rather arrogant position. When I possess knowledge that is beneficial to others and they ask for it, I provide it.
You, on the other hand would rather I go searching for the information blindly even though I asked you to share.
I appreciate you being a blessing to others. Thanks.

I also won’t be wiping your ass for you either.
We’ve had that conversation before. Your response to it previously now dictates my position.

Victim status is noted though

 

[McDad]

I also won’t be wiping your ass for you either.
We’ve had that conversation before. Your response to it previously now dictates my position.

Victim status is noted though

I've interacted with you long enough to know your mo. I've read your thread of gaining help with your demons.
Your attempts to be unlikable are a coping mechanism. At some point, you'll have to decide are you really unlikable or is that simply how you protect yourself.
You replied to me. You engaged with my post. And yet, you have a position from previous conversations already established which would seem engagement is futile. If so, then why do it? Maybe one day, you'll have enough peace to understand this went how you wanted it to go. If you ever want to equip me with your sources, I'm happy to explore those.

Let's both hope peace and healing are in abundance in your future.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I've interacted with you long enough to know your mo. I've read your thread of gaining help with your demons.
Your attempts to be unlikable are a coping mechanism. At some point, you'll have to decide are you really unlikable or is that simply how you protect yourself.
You replied to me. You engaged with my post. And yet, you have a position from previous conversations already established which would seem engagement is futile. If so, then why do it? Maybe one day, you'll have enough peace to understand this went how you wanted it to go. If you ever want to equip me with your sources, I'm happy to explore those.

Let's both hope peace and healing are in abundance in your future.

Engagement with you on this topic is futile.
You don’t get to jump in and out of smart ass mode when it suits you and expect people to play along. My being likable has nothing to do with this. I wrote you off on this topic a while back. You earned that.

But sure this is all me.
Whatever you need to tell yourself.

 

[Carl Pickens]

So what did you discover was the key to a long life? If I had to guess, I bet the majority of these countries in the blue zone have diets that are very similar. Probably very few processed foods but instead lots of fish, rice, fresh organic vegetables, red wine etc. It probably has nothing to do with more education or more pharmaceutical products and medicine.

They sure aren’t rolling their own cigarettes and cooking with fat back

 

[Carl Pickens]

Slice….. you and Daddio need to tone down the rhetoric…. Take it easy….roll with the flow….transcend…..zen…. Qigong…. and all that kind of thing.

Y’all are causing me undue stress at bedtime and f’ing up my Chi.

 

[McDad]

Engagement with you on this topic is futile.
You don’t get to jump in and out of smart ass mode when it suits you and expect people to play along. My being likable has nothing to do with this. I wrote you off on this topic a while back. You earned that.

But sure this is all me.
Whatever you need to tell yourself.

✌

 

[McDad]

Slice….. you and Daddio need to tone down the rhetoric…. Take it easy….roll with the flow….transcend…..zen…. Qigong…. and all that kind of thing.

Y’all are causing me undue stress at bedtime and f’ing up my Chi.

Smoke a kosher doobie. You'll be fine.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Smoke a kosher doobie. You'll be fine.

Way better than drinking alcohol

 

[hog88]

Way better than drinking alcohol

To my knowledge all whiskey is kosher.

 

[Orangeslice13]

To my knowledge all whiskey is kosher.

Ya but there’s more too it than that. There’s more to kosher living than eating or drinking what is on the list. You can absolutely end yourself eating or drinking things that are on the kosher list but in doing so you violate the principles and are no longer kosher.

Whisky may be kosher but Kush which is also kosher is much less damaging to your system.

 

[hog88]

Ya but there’s more too it than that. There’s more to kosher living than eating or drinking what is on the list. You can absolutely end yourself eating or drinking things that are on the kosher list but in doing so you violate the principles and are no longer kosher.

Whisky may be kosher but Kush which is also kosher is much less damaging to your system.

I like shellfish and dead pig too much to live Kosher. Plus the idea of no cheese on a burger is just a flat out deal breaker.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I like shellfish and dead pig too much to live Kosher. Plus the idea of no cheese on a burger is just a flat out deal breaker.

That’s just it.
There’s interpretation in play.
Cheese on your burger doesn’t violate Torah in principle. Storing them together does. You don’t need Torah to know storing meat and cheese together is a bad idea.
As far as eating pig and shellfish goes….. that’s just bad for you, again you don’t need Torah to know that. It’s your choice to do as you please. And you’re not lying to yourself about it either. You like it so it’s more important to you than the health benefits of avoiding it. And it may not be as big a problem for you as it is for others as you do it in moderation. That’s really up to you to decide.

But that’s the point isn’t it. What do people who live longer do?

 

[Orangeslice13]

@hog88
Someone mentioned seventh day Adventist

They hit Torah principles for diet nearly perfect.



Research suggests that the Seventh-day Adventist diet can lead to a lower risk of chronic diseases and a longer life

• Plant-based: The diet is primarily plant-based, with most animal products excluded.
• Clean and unclean foods: Adventists who eat meat follow Biblical guidelines from Leviticus 11, which prohibit pork and shellfish. Fish with both fins and scales are considered "clean" and are permitted, such as tuna, salmon, and trout.
• Whole foods: Adventists emphasize whole foods and avoid highly processed foods and sweets
• Balance and moderation: Adventists believe in balance and moderation, and that too much of anything can be harmful.
  Drinks: Adventists generally avoid sugary drinks and caffeinated beverages, and instead opt for water, herbal teas, and natural fruit and vegetable juices.
  Dairy and eggs: Some Adventists eat low-fat dairy products and eggs in moderation.
• Alcohol and tobacco: Adventists do not smoke or drink alcohol
• Other principles of the Seventh-day Adventist health message include: Getting enough fresh air and sunlight, Exercising regularly, and Avoiding mind-altering substances.

 

[GVF]

That’s just it.
There’s interpretation in play.
Cheese on your burger doesn’t violate Torah in principle. Storing them together does. You don’t need Torah to know storing meat and cheese together is a bad idea.
As far as eating pig and shellfish goes….. that’s just bad for you, again you don’t need Torah to know that. It’s your choice to do as you please. And you’re not lying to yourself about it either. You like it so it’s more important to you than the health benefits of avoiding it. And it may not be as big a problem for you as it is for others as you do it in moderation. That’s really up to you to decide.

But that’s the point isn’t it. What do people who live longer do?

I'm 59, 5'8", about 220 right now. Could lose 20 or so and I'd be GQ. lol. Rather fit by American eye test standards and most Euro eye tests for men my age that normally qualify as pot belly pigs.

There's very few meats I won't eat...farm, pond, river, woods, or sea. I'm not close to Kosher by any means, but don't care if someone is. It has it's roots in Jewish culture. it has biblical roots to the old testament, but we both know by conversations in the past, that I don't persoanlly beleive those rules hold in the NT. But, there is certainly no reason not to practice kosher if you choose. For any reason.

The first and foremost key to any mode of attempted healthy living is moderation. My dad was an old fashioned farm kid turned Ag professional. Ate near abouts anything, and because of his international travels with his job, had to try things that would make me puke, for the sake of not offending gracious hosts. He was 6'1" and always lived in the 175-185 pond range. Neither one of us has ever had any real health issues, other than his prostate cancer that broke loose and destroyed his body.

I am learning in my recent years that the biggest threat to health is the ultra processed foods that the american food industry poisons us with. I have tried to make a move away from that as much as possible. But, I will never give up pork, shrimp, or crab and do not view them as unclean. Expecially pasture raised pork. Becasue of american "enriched" grains and rices, I do look for products that are not when it comes to rice, pasta, etc. Pasta and rice are easy. Just use Jasmine in place of enriched long grain, and use an Italian imported pasta & sauces verses american made. Flour (and bread) is a bit more diffcult, but I do maintain my own sourdough starter that is now about 3-4 years old, though my bread making skills are not dialed in.

They may or may not be kosher, not sure, but to the creators of real Corned Beef and Pastrami, I tip my hat.

 

[GVF]

@hog88
Someone mentioned seventh day Adventist

They hit Torah principles for diet nearly perfect.



Research suggests that the Seventh-day Adventist diet can lead to a lower risk of chronic diseases and a longer life

• Plant-based: The diet is primarily plant-based, with most animal products excluded.
• Clean and unclean foods: Adventists who eat meat follow Biblical guidelines from Leviticus 11, which prohibit pork and shellfish. Fish with both fins and scales are considered "clean" and are permitted, such as tuna, salmon, and trout.
• Whole foods: Adventists emphasize whole foods and avoid highly processed foods and sweets
• Balance and moderation: Adventists believe in balance and moderation, and that too much of anything can be harmful.
  Drinks: Adventists generally avoid sugary drinks and caffeinated beverages, and instead opt for water, herbal teas, and natural fruit and vegetable juices.
  Dairy and eggs: Some Adventists eat low-fat dairy products and eggs in moderation.
• Alcohol and tobacco: Adventists do not smoke or drink alcohol
• Other principles of the Seventh-day Adventist health message include: Getting enough fresh air and sunlight, Exercising regularly, and Avoiding mind-altering substances.

The majority of this is just common sense living. Moderation is key to anything whether Kosher, Adventist, or anyone else. I just don't personally prescribe to the pork and shellfish thing. Though I would much rather have a heritage strain of pasture raised pork. Budget rarely allows it, but the flavor is night and day. As well as how commercial pig farms are viewed sometimes.

I see alot of people, christian or not, that skipped over the gluttony sin. God rendered it a deadly sin for a reason. Show me an obese minister, and I'll show you someone I don't pay much attention to.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I'm 59, 5'8", about 220 right now. Could lose 20 or so and I'd be GQ. lol. Rather fit by American eye test standards and most Euro eye tests for men my age that normally qualify as pot belly pigs.

There's very few meats I won't eat...farm, pond, river, woods, or sea. I'm not close to Kosher by any means, but don't care if someone is. It has it's roots in Jewish culture. it has biblical roots to the old testament, but we both know by conversations in the past, that I don't persoanlly beleive those rules hold in the NT. But, there is certainly no reason not to practice kosher if you choose. For any reason.

The first and foremost key to any mode of attempted healthy living is moderation. My dad was an old fashioned farm kid turned Ag professional. Ate near abouts anything, and because of his international travels with his job, had to try things that would make me puke, for the sake of not offending gracious hosts. He was 6'1" and always lived in the 175-185 pond range. Neither one of us has ever had any real health issues, other than his prostate cancer that broke loose and destroyed his body.

I am learning in my recent years that the biggest threat to health is the ultra processed foods that the american food industry poisons us with. I have tried to make a move away from that as much as possible. But, I will never give up pork, shrimp, or crab and do not view them as unclean. Expecially pasture raised pork. Becasue of american "enriched" grains and rices, I do look for products that are not when it comes to rice, pasta, etc. Pasta and rice are easy. Just use Jasmine in place of enriched long grain, and use an Italian imported pasta & sauces verses american made. Flour (and bread) is a bit more diffcult, but I do maintain my own sourdough starter that is now about 3-4 years old, though my bread making skills are not dialed in.

They may or may not be kosher, not sure, but to the creators of real Corned Beef and Pastrami, I tip my hat.

Moderation is key.
And a vegetarianish diet will meat in moderation is clearly the best option. Some would rather risk health problems instead of eating healthy and that’s their choice to make. But that doesn’t alter reality.
Pork is problematic as genetically they are very close to humans. We use pig parts in humans and they are not rejected by the human body. Heart valves are used often. Studies show that people who eat pork tend to suffer from issues you would expect in cannibalism. You’re free to eat it. It makes no difference to me but it’s a very unhealthy choice regardless of what Torah says about it.

Edit: I’m 55 years old 6:2 195 lbs. run 5 miles at a sub 9 minute pace a couple times a week and do advanced heated vinyasa 2 times a week.
With what my wife has been through our health is very important. It’s ok if others don’t want to do these things. But it is what it takes to be healthy into an old age

 

[GVF]

Sadly we are one of only two countries in the entire world that allow this.

And we are the only country in the world that has over 10,000 approved chemicals and additives for the foods you buy. God forbid someone intelligently explain the ingredient list in breads. And the need to have such highly hybridized wheat with such high gluten contents. There's basically only one true heirloom, non-hybrdized, wheat berry left in the world.

As someone who grew up with an Ag research father, I'm glad to see regenerative farming and grazing coming around.

 

[Orangeslice13]

And we are the only country in the world that has over 10,000 approved chemicals and additives for the foods you buy. God forbid someone intelligently explain the ingredient list in breads. And the need to have such highly hybridized wheat with such high gluten contents. There's basically only one true heirloom, non-hybrdized, wheat berry left in the world.

As someone who grew up with an Ag research father, I'm glad to see regenerative farming and grazing coming around.

Have you ever looked at a jelly pack from McDonalds?
There is literally no “food” in it at all. None

 

[GVF]

Moderation is key.
And a vegetarianish diet will meat in moderation is clearly the best option. Some would rather risk health problems instead of eating healthy and that’s their choice to make. But that doesn’t alter reality.
Pork is problematic as genetically they are very close to humans. We use pig parts in humans and they are not rejected by the human body. Heart valves are used often. Studies show that people who eat pork tend to suffer from issues you would expect in cannibalism. You’re free to eat it. It makes no difference to me but it’s a very unhealthy choice regardless of what Torah says about it.

Edit: I’m 55 years old 6:2 195 lbs. run 5 miles at a sub 9 minute pace a couple times a week and do advanced heated vinyasa 2 times a week.
With what my wife has been through our health is very important. It’s ok if others don’t want to do these things. But it is what it takes to be healthy into an old age

Huge veggie lover. Just not vegetarian or vegan. However, with the right summer veggies harvesting I can thoroughly enjoy a meatless meal without complaint. Give me maters or give me death. And strawberries for good measure. It's tit for tat to me concerning pork and other "uncleans." OT, yes it was ruled out. NT, God/Jesus said to one of his apostles how can you call unclean that which I have made clean. And we weren't swapping body parts at the time.

My biggest loss to maintaining the cardio side of my health is no longer visiting the gym, or any kind of cardio exercise. As a guy that was excessively active when younger, I've not maintained it. Though I never got into jogging. Shin splints always. And I just couldn't find a way to like it. I was a sprinter. A baseball/soft ball guy. Mountain river fisherman. Outdoorsman. And for a while a dedicated gym user. I worked evening shift at the mill. Single. Alternated my days either in the gym, or on the course walking 9 holes. Golf is very affordable and kind of healthy when you walk the course.

For refernce on my view on pork, etc:
In the Bible, the phrase "how can you call unclean" is most prominently found in Acts 10:15, where it essentially means "do not consider something unclean that God has declared clean," referring to the idea that God can purify what was previously considered impure, and therefore humans should not label things as unclean that God has made clean; this is often used in the context of food laws, where certain animals were considered unclean by Jewish tradition but God revealed to Peter that he should eat them.

This verse appears in a story where Peter has a vision where he is told to eat foods that were considered unclean according to Jewish dietary laws.

The voice in the vision tells Peter "What God has made clean, do not call unclean".

This is often interpreted as a message about God's sovereignty over what is considered clean or unclean, and that humans should not impose their own restrictions beyond what God has explicitly stated.

Again, I don't care if someone practices Kosher or whatever for any reason. It's not a big deal. And certainly not unhealthy. IMO, as a ban, I feel God repealed the label. It's a personal choice.

 

[GVF]

Have you ever looked at a jelly pack from McDonalds?
There is literally no “food” in it at all. None

Haven't used a fast food jelly pack in a long time. I have homemade strawberry and peach freezer jams. I rarely use store bought unless its grape for the 'lil' smokies. For that matter I don't do the fast food circuit much anymore, so when I do break down I don't feel too bad about it. We are back on WW, and just the bloated feeling disappeared in a matter of days. I do it with my wife when she gets on the kick cause you just can't run two patterns of eating through the house. My kryptonite was Bojangles breakfast biscuits. That was a tough divorce. But, now that it's not a two day a week venture it's not a big deal. It's amazing I never got any bigger than I ever did. I guess I just carry more weight than I look cause I still wear an XL even at 165-175 cause of the shoulder and chest fit.

There's no telling what they use in that jelly pack, especially to get the grape flavor. Somwhere you just have to draw a line about what you'd put in your mouth.

I bet the red woman has done some magic with your blackberries and raspberries.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Haven't used a fast food jelly pack in a long time. I have homemade strawberry and peach freezer jams. I rarely use store bought unless its grape for the 'lil' smokies. For that matter I don't do the fast food circuit much anymore, so when I do break down I don't feel too bad about it. We are back on WW, and just the bloated feeling disappeared in a matter of days. I do it with my wife when she gets on the kick cause you just can't run two patterns of eating through the house. My kryptonite was Bojangles breakfast biscuits. That was a tough divorce. But, now that it's not a two day a week venture it's not a big deal. It's amazing I never got any bigger than I ever did. I guess I just carry more weight than I look cause I still wear an XL even at 165-175 cause of the shoulder and chest fit.

There's no telling what they use in that jelly pack, especially to get the grape flavor. Somwhere you just have to draw a line about what you'd put in your mouth.

I bet the red woman has done some magic with your blackberries and raspberries.

There are things that I love that I avoid as staying healthy is more important. I don’t think there is anything at any fast food place that I can eat.
Outside of the unclean meat we’re pretty much in alignment