Sudden Death Syndrome

[McDad]

If you were old, fat, had diabetes, lung issues...

 

[VolinWayne]

Because of this conversation, I just learned about "Blue Zones" in the world. Places where people live the longest and are generally active even into old age.

where do people live the longest - Google Search

So what did you discover was the key to a long life? If I had to guess, I bet the majority of these countries in the blue zone have diets that are very similar. Probably very few processed foods but instead lots of fish, rice, fresh organic vegetables, red wine etc. It probably has nothing to do with more education or more pharmaceutical products and medicine.

 

[Vol423]

I couldn't find a definition of "excess heart attack deaths" in the link.

Anyone have insight on what is classified as 'excess'?

Any cardiac death of a friend or family member of the person writing about or otherwise discussing the death in question.

 

[Vol423]

I agree. But the solution is education, not change simply for the sake of change.

That's probably my biggest gripe with the shot show coming with Trump in toto. I get that people voted for change and the aspirations says he has to achieve that. But how that occurs is just as important, and often more important, than simply upheaval.

 

[Vol423]

Why is it that we see so much focus on fixing things with a shot or a pill instead of focusing on the root problems?

Because there is way more money to be made in treating a health issue than in eliminating it.

 

[VolinWayne]

Because there is way more money to be made in treating a health issue than in eliminating it.

spot on

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Luckily, we have someone coming into the cabinet position overseeing this who gets his medical advice off the backs of cereal boxes and in Popular Mechanics.

Couldn't be any worse.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Yeah, there was never a reason in 2021 to vaccinate a healthy kid or healthy, young adult......

If you were old, fat, had diabetes, lung issues, cancer, or heart issues - sure, it made sense

If not, it made no sense then and really doesn't make it now

It never made any sense. It was an evil unregulated experiment on an unsuspecting public.

#hangfauci

 

[McDad]

So what did you discover was the key to a long life? If I had to guess, I bet the majority of these countries in the blue zone have diets that are very similar. Probably very few processed foods but instead lots of fish, rice, fresh organic vegetables, red wine etc. It probably has nothing to do with more education or more pharmaceutical products and medicine.

There are websites / article which enumerate 9 attributes seemingly shared by blue zone areas. None of the things you guessed are on the list. Pharma usage wasn't mentioned pro or con but I expect those areas have low usage.
What I found most surprising is Loma Linda, Ca is a blue zone. That area is a hub for Seventh Day Adventists. They live 10 years longer than the rest of America.

 

[DC_Vol]

There are websites / article which enumerate 9 attributes seemingly shared by blue zone areas. None of the things you guessed are on the list. Pharma usage wasn't mentioned pro or con but I expect those areas have low usage.
What I found most surprising is Loma Linda, Ca is a blue zone. That area is a hub for Seventh Day Adventists. They will 10 years longer than the rest of America.

What I took away from it was I need to start drinking more wine.

 

[n_huffhines]

So what did you discover was the key to a long life? If I had to guess, I bet the majority of these countries in the blue zone have diets that are very similar. Probably very few processed foods but instead lots of fish, rice, fresh organic vegetables, red wine etc. It probably has nothing to do with more education or more pharmaceutical products and medicine.

You say this because?....you want to believe it?

Red wine? Lol

 

[lawgator1]

What I took away from it was I need to start drinking more wine.

Or a lot less.

 

[Vol423]

What I took away from it was I need to start drinking more wine.

It’s a no lose situation. If you die young, at least you die happy.

 

[VolinWayne]

You say this because?....you want to believe it?

Red wine? Lol

Thanks for making my point about common sense being lost. I'm sure you believe what the average American is consuming is healthy.
standard American diet | Health Topics | NutritionFacts.org

Why do you laugh about my mention of wine? I personally prefer bourbon but I do understand that bourbon every night is not a healthy lifestyle. One glass of red wine every night on the other hand is a different story.

Top Science-Backed Health Benefits of Drinking Red Wine

We break down several red wine benefits when consumed in moderation. From immunity to eye and heart health, here's why red wine can be healthy.

www.realsimple.com

 

[VolinWayne]

I think Diet plays a huge impact. I clicked on the link you provided and about the 2nd result down was this article. This article list the top 5 blue zones and in each one it mentions diet as being a key.

These are the world's 5 Blue Zones, where people live the longest lives

These regions share several features, including healthy diets, natural movement, and a sense of community.

www.businessinsider.com

SARDINA ITALY
This region is home to male shepherds who typically walk five or more miles through the mountains daily, eat a primarily plant-based diet, and moderately consume local Cannonau wine.


OKINAWA JAPAN
Its residents, who eat superfoods including tofu, miso, and seaweed

Loma Linda, California, United States
The community, which has the highest concentration of Seventh-day Adventists, a Protestant Christian denomination, in the United States, lives on a plant-based diet taken directly from the Bible, which involves eating grains, nuts, and legumes.

Nicoya, Costa Rica
Other factors include a healthy diet of unprocessed foods, drinking hard water with high calcium content,


Ikaria, Greece
They eat a type of Mediterranean diet, with plenty of vegetables and fruit, and fast regularly due to their most common religion of Greek Orthodox Christianity.

 

[n_huffhines]

Thanks for making my point about common sense being lost. I'm sure you believe what the average American is consuming is healthy.
standard American diet | Health Topics | NutritionFacts.org

Why do you laugh about my mention of wine? I personally prefer bourbon but I do understand that bourbon every night is not a healthy lifestyle. One glass of red wine every night on the other hand is a different story.

Top Science-Backed Health Benefits of Drinking Red Wine

We break down several red wine benefits when consumed in moderation. From immunity to eye and heart health, here's why red wine can be healthy.

www.realsimple.com

Yeah, but there isn't some region where people have just 1 glass of wine every night. It's not even necessarily proven. Research suggests it can be good for helping with cholesterol. There are other consequences of wine consumption. The idea that it would be so widely drunk in perfect moderation that it would make a place into a blue region seems like something the wine industry would say.

No idea why you posted the link to diet. General diet definitely has a role.

 

[VolinWayne]

Yeah, but there isn't some region where people have just 1 glass of wine every night. It's not even necessarily proven. Research suggests it can be good for helping with cholesterol. There are other consequences of wine consumption. The idea that it would be so widely drunk in perfect moderation that it would make a place into a blue region seems like something the wine industry would say.

No idea why you posted the link to diet. General diet definitely has a role.

You are picking a really weird thing to argue about....its almost like you are arguing just for the sake of arguing......there are plenty of regions where it's common to have a glass of wine with dinner every night. That wasn't really even the point of my post though.

I posted the link about the average Americans diet because you posted
" You say this because?....you want to believe it?
Red wine? Lol"
I just assumed by the above statement that you were disagreeing with my point that a healthy diet more then likely plays a critical role in how long a person lives.

 

[n_huffhines]

You are picking a really weird thing to argue about....its almost like you are arguing just for the sake of arguing......there are plenty of regions where it's common to have a glass of wine with dinner every night. That wasn't really even the point of my post though.

I posted the link about the average Americans diet because you posted
" You say this because?....you want to believe it?
Red wine? Lol"
I just assumed by the above statement that you were disagreeing with my point that a healthy diet more then likely plays a critical role in how long a person lives.

Healthy diet is of course a factor. I didn't bold that part or call it out.

I was laughing at the general statement that key to long life having nothing to do with pharmaceuticals and education. Maybe you weren't saying that, but in the context of this thread and your history....my wife is still alive today because of modern medicine. We do not live in a blue zone and medicine is keeping our unhealthy asses alive.

If you're talking explicitly about blue zones, It's true that western education and medicine are not factors for half of them, but half the blue zones are not wine regions either.

Americans treat their bodies like ****. Wine isn't going to save us. Medicine has saved and will continue to save a lot of us.

To be clear, a blue zone is not necessarily a place where there is a high average life span. It's a region where they have lots of 90 year olds. So people in Costa Rica with health problems still die. It's the people who don't have cancer (which alcohol/wine consumption causes), etc. who live to be 90 at a higher rate. In fact, all of Japan (not just Okinawa) has a higher life expectancy than Nicoya, Costa Rica, likely because of education and medicine as explanatory factors.

 

[GVF]

Yeah, there was never a reason in 2021 to vaccinate a healthy kid or healthy, young adult......

If you were old, fat, had diabetes, lung issues, cancer, or heart issues - sure, it made sense

If not, it made no sense then and really doesn't make it now

They sure still spend good amount of money on celeb commercials with two bandaids for covid and flu vax for the winter.

 

[VolinWayne]

They sure still spend good amount of money on celeb commercials with two bandaids for covid and flu vax for the winter.

Sadly we are one of only two countries in the entire world that allow this.

 

[Orangeslice13]

There are websites / article which enumerate 9 attributes seemingly shared by blue zone areas. None of the things you guessed are on the list. Pharma usage wasn't mentioned pro or con but I expect those areas have low usage.
What I found most surprising is Loma Linda, Ca is a blue zone. That area is a hub for Seventh Day Adventists. They live 10 years longer than the rest of America.

#kosherdiet

 

[Orangeslice13]

They sure still spend good amount of money on celeb commercials with two bandaids for covid and flu vax for the winter.

Pharmaceutical companies spend 2 times more than any other industry on advertising.
But pharmaceutical companies are not the big bad boogeymen that run healthcare like everyone seems to think.

Insurance companies run our healthcare system.

 

[McDad]

#kosherdiet

Israel is not a blue zone.

metzta'ar lehavi hadshot ra'ot

 

[Orangeslice13]

Israel is not a blue zone.

metzta'ar lehavi hadshot ra'ot

But we live longer everywhere else in the world.
Also take a look at Israel again and see which people there live longer and what’s different about them.

 

[McDad]

But we live longer everywhere else in the world.
Also take a look at Israel again and see which people there live longer and what’s different about them.

You understand I didn't compile the data on blue zones, right?
I'll admit you guys had a good run from Adam through the great flood but it hasn't been all that impressive since.