Sugar Bowl probably out after tonight

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wmcovol said:
I’d think the big loss AND Hooker injury probably lessens Sugar Bowl wanting the Vols over Alabama. I may be wrong but not having HH could be the deciding factor.
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It's going to be about money and Travel. Ala fans don't give a damn about a NY6 bowl. Vol fans would travel much better in this case. Ala wouldn't sell half of their allotted tickets.
 
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BlinghamptonVol said:
What if Bama makes it to the playoffs now? We could get the Sugar then.
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jasonvol18 said:
It's going to be about money and Travel. Ala fans don't give a damn about a NY6 bowl. Vol fans would travel much better in this case. Ala wouldn't sell half of their allotted tickets.
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Actually, no. By contract (when not a playoff semifinal game) the Sugar Bowl has to take either (1) the SEC Champion if that team is not in the playoffs or (2) the highest ranked SEC team remaining (per the CFP committee’s final rankings) after the playoff game selections.

The Sugar Bowl’s contract gives it 0 say in the matter. They don’t get to weigh travel or ticket sales or fan base size or market size or whatever and make a decision they see as more favorable. The SEC and Big 12 locked it into a very tight contract.

(For instance, if somehow a 9-4 Missouri won the SEC Championship Game but there was an 11-1 or 10-2 top 10 Alabama, it wouldn’t matter. The Sugar Bowl’s hands are tied and they’d be forced to endure hosting Missouri for that year’s game.)
 
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Mccage said:
1 loss Michigan or Ohio State gets in before Bama. Bama ain't getting in.
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Clemson was a huge benefactor of last night. They’re in control if TCU or USC lose.

Frankly, I’m pulling for TCU to win out now. Hell, USC also. Let SEC get one team in due to the hor$e$hit officiating we get every week.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Not so sure, Sugar is a good chance unless we lose to Vandy plus the cotton is possible.
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I hope you're right. I was a little surprised that we only dropped to 9 in the AP. I realize that doesn't really mean anything, but it is somewhat of an indicator as to where we might end up. I expected us to fall to 12 or 13.
 
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The Hooker news probably means its Orange or bust for NY6 games. I can't see the Cotton taking us if there are other options they can choose from. In order to get Orange we need to be ranked ahead of Penn State on Tuesday and then hope the committee drops LSU below us if they lose to Georgia in SECG.
 
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Bama is going to Orange Bowl
Vols in Sugar Bowl
A 3 loss LSU will go to cotton. But I'm sure Vols will get screwed over somehow but they did it to themselves
 
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We have to be ranked better than penn state or we will be going to the cotton or citrus. No chance for sugar if bama is ranked above us. No chance for orange if we are below penn state. Then all depends on where lsu falls if they lose to Georgia. That’s assuming we win, bama wins and penn state wins.
 
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rdk4121 said:
I would say sugar bowl is pretty likely if we win next week.
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No, after LSU loses to Georgia, Alabama will be the highest rated SEC team outside the playoffs. Therefore they go to Sugar. There is no debating it. Thats the contractual agreement.

Orange Bowl gets to choose from the highest ranked of Notre Dame, Big Ten, or SEC after Sugar Bowl. So their choices will be Notre Dame, Penn State, then LSU/Tennessee depending on where the committee ranks LSU after the SECCG.

Cotton Bowl will have to take the G5 team and then they are free to do whatever they want with.
 
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WVU05UT09 said:
No, after LSU loses to Georgia, Alabama will be the highest rated SEC team outside the playoffs. Therefore they go to Sugar. There is no debating it. Thats the contractual agreement.

Orange Bowl gets to choose from the highest ranked of Notre Dame, Big Ten, or SEC after Sugar Bowl. So their choices will be Notre Dame, Penn State, then LSU/Tennessee depending on where the committee ranks LSU after the SECCG.

Cotton Bowl will have to take the G5 team and then they are free to do whatever they want with.
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It just sucks that two teams we beat will more than likely be getting better NY6 bowl games than us due to the ugly USCjr loss lastnight.
 
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RossVol said:
It just sucks that two teams we beat will more than likely be getting better NY6 bowl games than us due to the ugly USCjr loss lastnight.
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I agree. Using the rankings for the Orange Bowl is one thing with two conferences involved. But the Sugar Bowl should be forced to use conference standings and head to head breakers for that slot.
 
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WVU05UT09 said:
I agree. Using the rankings for the Orange Bowl is one thing with two conferences involved. But the Sugar Bowl should be forced to use conference standings and head to head breakers for that slot.
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Well, they never have and they most likely never will.
 
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WVU05UT09 said:
No, after LSU loses to Georgia, Alabama will be the highest rated SEC team outside the playoffs. Therefore they go to Sugar. There is no debating it. Thats the contractual agreement.

Orange Bowl gets to choose from the highest ranked of Notre Dame, Big Ten, or SEC after Sugar Bowl. So their choices will be Notre Dame, Penn State, then LSU/Tennessee depending on where the committee ranks LSU after the SECCG.

Cotton Bowl will have to take the G5 team and then they are free to do whatever they want with.
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Why would they be ahead of us? A team that beat then head to head, and we also beat the team that also beat them? I know our loss was certainly worse, but honestly I still don't see it. Also no chance LSU would be ahead of us if they lose to Georgia (and we win). Three losses just isn't going to happen. I guess we'll see on that Sugar Bowl, but I can see it either way.
 
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rdk4121 said:
Why would they be ahead of us? A team that beat then head to head, and we also beat the team that also beat them? I know our loss was certainly worse, but honestly I still don't see it. Also no chance LSU would be ahead of us if they lose to Georgia (and we win). Three losses just isn't going to happen. I guess we'll see on that Sugar Bowl, but I can see it either way.
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I believe that Alabama will be ahead of us because not only did we lose, we also lost our starting QB. The selection committee takes everything into consideration, including players' status and whether a team is trending up or down. You have a point about LSU, but Hooker being out really hurts or FCS standings. If Milton plays really well and our offense performs like it did with Hooker at QB, then maybe we stand a chance.
 
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SprocketRocket said:
I believe that Alabama will be ahead of us because not only did we lose, we also lost our starting QB. The selection committee takes everything into consideration, including players' status and whether a team is trending up or down. You have a point about LSU, but Hooker being out really hurts or FCS standings. If Milton plays really well and our offense performs like it did with Hooker at QB, then maybe we stand a chance.
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Also inherently not a whole lot of logic goes into rankings. How many times over the years have we seen a #19/#20 beat a #7/#8 and in the rankings the next week the #7/#8 will be #12/#13 and the team they beat right behind them? Plus inevitably that whole who beat who ends up in circular logic.
 
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Sooooo, if...big IF, we win over Vandy by 20 and play well with Milton or whoever, I think we salvage a good bowl. I am in the middle of a $100k renovation so travel probably out for me. Would love to watch the Vols play Michigan after they lose to Ohio State. LSU will drop after UGA drills them. Would love to see Rattler and SC drill Clemson like they did us. Auburn beat Alabubba. Texas A&M beat LSU, TCU lose their championship game, and other assorted upsets to make Tennessee rise on up and grab a New Years game. I want to see UGA and Ohio State for sure. I would say it all hinges on our Defense doing a 180 against Vandy and Milton playing like Hooker. Go Vols!
 
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