Sunseri... talk about an anticlimactic hire.

[JAEvans24]

It's getting hot in here...

 

[JAEvans24]

*cue Nelly rap song*

 

[UT's#1Fan]

I'm interested. Who has defended him no matter what?

I don't know that the "in over his head" description is necessarily inaccurate. He inherited a program that had had 3 consecutive recruiting class busts: 07-09. The roster was pretty close to what you would expect from a school that had received the NCAA death penalty. I don't think there's a coach in the country including Lord Saban who could have won in that scenario... and the proof of that is pretty simple. No one with a better resume would touch the job. Dooley is in over his head pretty much because anyone else would be.

I have absolutely no problem with seeing him held accountable. I have a big problem with seeing him fired for things done by Fulmer and Kiffin... or more specifically "not done" by Fulmer and Kiffin.

The problem with you is that you consistently spew hate without considering what Dooley took over. Worse yet, you do it fully knowing that your comments could hurt recruiting which hurts the program with or without Dooley.

Really? This argument again? :no:

 

[sjt18]

VolBeef donates to VASF and has a successful small business. He has every right to badmouth Dooley and the program...:thumbsup:

With his penchant for ignoring facts that do not line up with his "wishes"... I wish I knew where he was and what his business is. Sounds like a really good opportunity.

 

[slh1089]

Not pointing fingers, but its just kind of sad when you have to start touting job, money and what not on a college football message board...

 

[tvols75]

Not pointing fingers, but its just kind of sad when you have to start touting job, money and what not on a college football message board...

So true.

 

[sjt18]

Really? This argument again? :no:

As distasteful as it might be to you, facts always make good argument points.

Recruiting is tough all things being equal. The SEC is the toughest considering the quality of coaches and recruiters competing for the same players. It is tougher at UT because of the lack of instate talent. It gets worse if you inherit a team that you can't win big with. You simply don't need that extra burden of having to explain why a vocal minority is demanding you be fired in the middle of your rebuilding effort.

 

[VolBeef88]

As proof of what? I deal with facts and perceptions for a living. I know the difference. My BS sensor is pretty sensitive.

Prove it. I started a thread within the last couple of weeks entitled "Was it always going to get worse before it got better". I pretty much laid out how those three failed recruiting classes were all but certain to result in a decline in talent/leadership amongst upperclassmen until '12.

If you want to show last year's or, even less so, this year's Sr/Jr classes were loaded with SEC dominating talent... have at it. Roster wise, '12 was going to be low ebb for UT regardless of who the coach happened to be.

If you don't recognize that Dooley took over one of the worst situations imaginable then it is you that is BLIND... but you have pretty much demonstrated that you are completely blinded by bias so I suppose that's rhetorical.


Larry (LWSVol) said he had seen printouts that had been given to UT recruits from message boards like this one. Why should a coach EVER be required to out recruit his own fan base? Shouldn't "fans" do things that support their team even if they don't like the current coach?

Well seeing how this is the only site that gripes about coaching... I wonder if LSU can recruit good players? I invite you to go to tiggerdroppings and read the love fest they have on their site. And it's gone on LONG before Mondays game.
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[VolsMcGee]

A baseball analogy if I may. With 1 out, bottom of the ninth, runner in scoring postition firmly on second base, Dooley steps to the plate and hits a sac fly to advance the runner to third. The bad news is we needed a single to the outfield which could have scored the runner on second to win the game. The good news is there's still one out with Sunseri coming to the plate...

Will Sunseri pan out, maybe... maybe not. But one thing is for sure, it's certainly far from the homerun hire this fan base and recruiting class needed. Dooley had an opportunity to invoke excitement back into the program and fanbase with the hire of a PROVEN DC. Instead we're once again hiring (for whatever reason, money, lack of interest due to the one-and-done likelihood of Dooley's tenure) a "lotsa potential" guy. How'd that work out for Fulmer when he hired Clawson? Insanity.

As a side bonus, with this hire he's managed to piss off one of the program most loyal coaches and proven recruiters (Lance Thompson).

The dumpster fire that is the current state of our football program sadly.... blazes on.

:twocents:

 

[UT's#1Fan]

Like everyone else on this site I was very surprised MH hired him. Even the slurpers were surprised. The idea that UT would settle for a guy with a career losing record in the WAC didn't set well with me as I expect better. I spoke my disappointment about the hire and hoped I was wrong about the hire. So far I have not been.
Since coming on board we have had back to back losing seasons for the first time, we lost to KY for the first time in damn near 30 years and coaches and players are jumping ship. Tell me why he is above criticism like so many slurpers seem to think?
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The losses are one thing... my main criticism is in how we lost those games... because the slurpers, as you so elegantly refer to them, will cry we should have lost the games regardless because of the "mess" Dooley inherited and completely ignore exactly how the loss was acquired...

• LSU in 2010.. 14 men on the field.. really?
• UNC... we had that won and CHOKED...
• LSU/BAMA/ARK this year... like a 120+ to 20 over those three??
• Vandy... squeaked out of that apparent renewed rivalry and i bet no one sent a thank you card to the vandy guy that grazed... ERR... ruffed our kicker
• UK (no comment needed)
• Second half scoring woes

PR blunders:
Ask for permission to come to practice
Transfer'gate: Brown, Douglas, Arnett
Public controversial criticism of players
Berry's recent tweet

Staff departures:
Chuck Smith.. what really happen there?
The mysterious retirement of Baggett
Wilcox/Sirmon take lateral positions at perennial powerhouse Washington St.

But nooooooooooo, you say one bad thing about the golden boy and BAM... to ignoresville you go negavol.

please... the sooner the doolaiders realize it's over for Dooley the better off we'll be. Because the longer we go with him at the helm, the further off track we get from the way Tennessee football should be.

 

[UT's#1Fan]

As distasteful as it might be to you, facts always make good argument points.

Recruiting is tough all things being equal. The SEC is the toughest considering the quality of coaches and recruiters competing for the same players. It is tougher at UT because of the lack of instate talent. It gets worse if you inherit a team that you can't win big with. You simply don't need that extra burden of having to explain why a vocal minority is demanding you be fired in the middle of your rebuilding effort.

Sure did hurt UGA last year... :ermm:

 

[tenn fever]

Great post and if it happens and if Thompson can find a job he will be gone

 

[17Vols]

What did he say

nothing

 

[UT's#1Fan]

A baseball analogy if I may. With 1 out, bottom of the ninth, runner in scoring postition firmly on second base, Dooley steps to the plate and hits a sac fly to advance the runner to third. The bad news is we needed a single to the outfield which could have scored the runner on second to win the game. The good news is there's still one out with Sunseri coming to the plate...

Will Sunseri pan out, maybe... maybe not. But one thing is for sure, it's certainly far from the homerun hire this fan base and recruiting class needed. Dooley had an opportunity to invoke excitement back into the program and fanbase with the hire of a PROVEN DC. Instead we're once again hiring (for whatever reason, money, lack of interest due to the one-and-done likelihood of Dooley's tenure) a "lotsa potential" guy. How'd that work out for Fulmer when he hired Clawson? Insanity.

As a side bonus, with this hire he's managed to piss off one of the program most loyal coaches and proven recruiters (Lance Thompson).

The dumpster fire that is the current state of our football program sadly.... blazes on.

:twocents:

:bump3:

 

[UT's#1Fan]

a few gems....

UT's#1Fan = :censored:
I get tired of listening to poeple that never do their homework. Obviously he knows absolutely NOTHING about Sunseri.

In his mind, CDD should hit a homerun every time at bat and the rest of the team shouldn't matter. It doesn't matter that hitting the sac fly was exactly the right play and he executed it correctly. It also doesn't matter that he took a hit against his personal stats in doing so.

Guys like UTs#1misnomer have no clue about what it takes to build a program, they just want CDD at the drive thru window passing out bags of hot greasy championships now.

(Ok, now we are at 2 metaphors, can we build on this?)

Apparently you don't know that home runs are hit in baseball and Tennessee hit one with their new baseball coach. They scored a touchdown when they hired Dooley and Dooley will score a touchdown he hires his DC.

So we pull a PROVEN winner off a NC team who has (again) a Proven track record and promote him one level up to DC and this is a dud hire????

The guy is also one of the top recruiters in the league.

Here's how this conversation goes wit recruits?

Wanna win a NC? I have and UT has and together we will win another with players like you.

Wanna know what it feels like to shut a team out of a bowl game? I know what it feels like.

Oh and her's my resume of players I've helped get to the first round in the NFL.

Pulls out list a mile long and watches it roll down the living room floor and into the carpet.

Any questions????

 

[tm3]

talk about vindication ...

 

[UTvols#1]

^^^^ what he said

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Sure did hurt UGA last year... :ermm:

So does all that homegrown talent....