Super Rich Hiding $21 Trillion

[hog88]

I did not say that I vote based on bumper stickers. But I do think that one makes a few good points. Republicans wanted to let GM die, and they did let OBL live, didn't they?

GM is going to die anyway without more govt money.

 

[Vol Main]

For me the religious incentive argument fails to supply the proper incentive.

As a Christian I'm supposed to do good works because I have salvation but my preacher says I can't earn my way to heaven, Jesus already did that.

Romney, on the other hand, believes he can earn his way to his own deification by doing a lot of good works on earth.

So, if I'm going to pick a political leader based on their religious incentives for doing stuff, wouldn't I pick the one who still needs to earn his salvation?

I don't know about all that, but my impression is that Romney pays for his salvation with money to the Mormon Church. Beyond that, I'd rather not comment on his religious beliefs.

 

[therealUT]

I don't know about all that, but my impression is that Romney pays for his salvation with money to the Mormon Church. Beyond that, I'd rather not comment on his religious beliefs.

That is not how Mormonism works. One cannot just buy their way to deification. One works to purify and make themselves perfect, thus attaining divinity. Much of this comes about through intellectual challenges and development.

 

[Vol Main]

GM is going to die anyway without more govt money.

Were did you get that bad information? GM is financially healthy.

 

[BigPapaVol]

shockingly enough, this thread has devolved into the lefty election talking points thread.

 

[Vol Main]

That is not how Mormonism works. One cannot just buy their way to deification. One works to purify and make themselves perfect, thus attaining divinity. Much of this comes about through intellectual challenges and development.

Okay, that sounds good. But isn't there also the requirement to pay money to the church? No money, no honey. Exactly how is becoming a national politician "purifying?"

 

[Vol Main]

shockingly enough, this thread has devolved into the lefty election talking points thread.

It's only lefty to a righty who thinks the moderate middle is the left.

 

[VolsNSkinsFan]

Were did you get that bad information? GM is financially healthy.

Because the US government has shoveled $80 billion into it. For $80 billion we could have bought Greece!

 

[Cartervol]

The bailout cost twice as much as estimated. That's healthy?

 

[Vol Main]

You remind me of Reagan's statement that so much of what our liberal friends "know" just isn't true.

And, for the record, you don't "know" jacksheet.

And for the record, I am not a liberal. Because I am a political moderate, liberals call me conservative ... sometimes with some rather hateful words attached. I'll stand on my posts.

 

[hog88]

The bailout cost twice as much as estimated. That's healthy?

A liberals view of financial health is the workers having a job, not the stockholders getting a return. The stock would have to be in the $50-$60 range for the taxpayers to see a positive ROI.

 

[VolsNSkinsFan]

A liberals view of financial health is the workers having a job, not the stockholders getting a return. The stock would have to be in the $50-$60 range for the taxpayers to see a positive ROI.

how about bond holders getting nothing, whats their ROI?

 

[Cartervol]

A liberals view of financial health is the workers having a job, not the stockholders getting a return. The stock would have to be in the $50-$60 range for the taxpayers to see a positive ROI.

Yeah that's not happening..... Kind of where i was going with that without having to say it....

 

[utvolpj]

Actually, I think that is what did happen with GM.

Bush allowed OBL to live. He didn't even take a security briefing on OBL until a few weeks before 9/11, despite urgent requests from his first month in office until then by the Director of the Counter-Terrorism Security Group. That's a fact. And after Bush invaded Iraq, he stated that getting OBL was not important. Whatever he really thought, it' a fact that Bush did not get him and President Obama did.

not even close to what happened with GM. Are you also all over Obama for not clearing out the consulates before lives were lost?

And for the record, I am not a liberal. Because I am a political moderate, liberals call me conservative ... sometimes with some rather hateful words attached. I'll stand on my posts.

you can't vote for Obama and still cling to being a moderate. What you've shown in this forum is a lack of understanding about many, many things. Honestly, voters like you are why we are in this mess

 

[PKT_VOL]

I generally agree with you about the two parties. However, I believe that President Obama has deep Christian values and that he actually does give a damn.

Oh man, you don't really believe this do you?

If so, you continue to lose credibility.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Oh man, you don't really believe this do you?

If so, you continue to lose credibility.

He doesn't believe shiz. He's marketing - albeit poorly.

 

[Vol Main]

Because the US government has shoveled $80 billion into it. For $80 billion we could have bought Greece!

I'd rather own GM.

 

[PKT_VOL]

And for the record, I am not a liberal. Because I am a political moderate, liberals call me conservative ... sometimes with some rather hateful words attached. I'll stand on my posts.

FYI, from a Libertarian stand point (me), you are liberal. Not independent. You may be independent as far as not being registered to a certain party, but ideologically, you are not independent (middle of the road).

 

[PKT_VOL]

Obama is the only rich Democrat and that is only because he has a government job. Once he returns to the private sector then he will regain his union position and slog away with all the other hard working Democrats.

lol:

 

[BigPapaVol]

I'd rather own GM.

Do you have any idea why?

 

[Vol Main]

The bailout cost twice as much as estimated. That's healthy?

GM was healthy enough to pay back a lot of the TARP money it held in escrow, instead of using it.

 

[BigPapaVol]

GM was healthy enough to pay back a lot of the TARP money it held in escrow, instead of using it.

This is awesome analysis.

 

[Cartervol]

Do you have any idea why?

He likes bad investments... He's choice of president is another one....

 

[therealUT]

Okay, that sounds good. But isn't there also the requirement to pay money to the church? No money, no honey. Exactly how is becoming a national politician "purifying?"

Mormonism for dummies:
1. God is not unified and infinite.
2. The Gods are plural and finite.
3. There is no head God who makes other Gods, Saints, etc.
4. One makes oneself a God through striving for and achieving purity and perfection.

While there is a church requirement to tithe, that is premised on the notion that the money will be used to do good deeds; thus, one who tithes is doing good deeds by proxy.

I would say that using your talents to influence as much of the world in as much of a positive manner as possible (you can certainly debate whether or not Romney would be a positive influence), would be purifying and perfecting.

 

[Thrasher865]

I did not say that I vote based on bumper stickers. But I do think that one makes a few good points. Republicans wanted to let GM die, and they did let OBL live, didn't they?

I've never seen a bumper sticker "make a good point."