Superman vs Batman movie coming in 2015!

[BenGrimm]

He is more entertaining the wolverine

Meh... While Wolverine got overexposed as his popularity exploded he still had more memorable stories and cladding moments than Lobo. He ran his course after his first couple of mini series. Although he did play a decent time in the 52 weekly maxiseries.

 

[Weezer]

If you're going to compare Batman to a Marvel character, try Captain America. Far more alike than Batman and Iron Man.

I like Batman, but I prefer Cap.

Superman is generally compared to the Hulk. The Hulk is a far more developed character than Supes. More thought went into the Hulk's origin than, "we'll have him be an alien that gets superpowers on Earth."

Thor is most often compared to DC's Captain Marvel(AKA Shazam). Given I like both characters, I'd say it's a push.

All that aside, Spider-Man trumps any character DC has. Hell, he's the single greatest comic book character ever created.

 

[GOATeric14berry]

If you're going to compare Batman to a Marvel character, try Captain America. Far more alike than Batman and Iron Man.

I like Batman, but I prefer Cap.

Superman is generally compared to the Hulk. The Hulk is a far more developed character than Supes. More thought went into the Hulk's origin than, "we'll have him be an alien that gets superpowers on Earth."

Thor is most often compared to DC's Captain Marvel(AKA Shazam). Given I like both characters, I'd say it's a push.

All that aside, Spider-Man trumps any character DC has. Hell, he's the single greatest comic book character ever created.

Wow u lost me at spider-man is the single best comic book character

 

[Weezer]

Spider-Man has the richest origin and history to pull from. At least he did until Marvel started mucking with him several years ago. He wasn't rich like Bruce Wayne. He wasn't from another world like Superman. He was an ordinary teen, bullied for being a nerd, until one day, a science experiment changed all that. He didn't have all the training Batman received. He didn't even start out looking to be a "good guy". He stumbled his way through, like a human being, then became accidently responsible for his Uncle's death. The words of the man who raised him, whose death he could have prevented but failed to do so, haunted him, drove him to become more. With great power comes great responsibility. The idea of superpowers was fantastical, but the origin itself was rooted in far more humanity than any of DC's big hitters. As noted by another poster, DC went to great strides to try and humanize their characters more in the 1980's. The success and popularity of Spider-Man played a big part in that. Most of DC's big hitters had little backstory before that. What they had was simple, and to the point. Spider-Man was a character with flaws, that learned from those flaws, that became a better hero because of those flaws. Peter Parker was a character that people related to because he experienced loss, yet he persevered. From the death of Uncle Ben through the death of his beloved Gwen Stacy, he somehow picked himself up and continued to go on with life. When Marvel strayed from that aspect of Peter, that's when the character started to decline. But up until that point, he was absolutely the greatest of all comic book heroes.

 

[GOATeric14berry]

I personally think spider-man is corney. His comics are to kiddie most of the time and his villains are garbage. My favorite marvel character is iron man. His comics are bad to. He also has no good villains. Biggest waste in the marvel world .

 

[BenGrimm]

Spider-Man has the richest origin and history to pull from. At least he did until Marvel started mucking with him several years ago. He wasn't rich like Bruce Wayne. He wasn't from another world like Superman. He was an ordinary teen, bullied for being a nerd, until one day, a science experiment changed all that. He didn't have all the training Batman received. He didn't even start out looking to be a "good guy". He stumbled his way through, like a human being, then became accidently responsible for his Uncle's death. The words of the man who raised him, whose death he could have prevented but failed to do so, haunted him, drove him to become more. With great power comes great responsibility. The idea of superpowers was fantastical, but the origin itself was rooted in far more humanity than any of DC's big hitters. As noted by another poster, DC went to great strides to try and humanize their characters more in the 1980's. The success and popularity of Spider-Man played a big part in that. Most of DC's big hitters had little backstory before that. What they had was simple, and to the point. Spider-Man was a character with flaws, that learned from those flaws, that became a better hero because of those flaws. Peter Parker was a character that people related to because he experienced loss, yet he persevered. From the death of Uncle Ben through the death of his beloved Gwen Stacy, he somehow picked himself up and continued to go on with life. When Marvel strayed from that aspect of Peter, that's when the character started to decline. But up until that point, he was absolutely the greatest of all comic book heroes.

Well said.

Marvel had a catch 22 because their characters aged in (near) real time for the first 10 or so years. Then they had to freeze them in time while still continuing to move then forward.

 

[Weezer]

I personally think spider-man is corney. His comics are to kiddie most of the time and his villains are garbage. My favorite marvel character is iron man. His comics are bad to. He also has no good villains. Biggest waste in the marvel world .

WTH are you talking about? Spider-Man has one of, if not the best rogue's gallery in comics. Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, Kraven the Hunter, Sandman, Venom, Chameleon, the Lizard, the Kingpin of Crime(who was coopted into Daredevil but made his first appearances in the pages of Amazing Spider-Man), the Sinister Six, Hobgoblin, Carnage, Scorpion, and probably even more that I'm forgetting. Spider-Man does not lack for villains. Probably the lamest of his villains is the one I think perfectly suited for a movie, though I doubt they ever use him, and that's Mysterio. The Master of Special Effects is hard to really imagine in comics, but they could absolutely make him spring to life on the big screen.

And as for his comics being "too kiddie", have you ever read the death of Gwen Stacy, or the introduction of the Punisher? That's right, even the Punisher was introduced in the pages of Amazing Spider-Man. Maybe the current Spider-Man books are kiddie, I haven't read any in years, but I know from having read many up until about 10 years ago that was not the case.

 

[Weezer]

Well said.

Marvel had a catch 22 because their characters aged in (near) real time for the first 10 or so years. Then they had to freeze them in time while still continuing to move then forward.

Marvel also set their characters in the real world. Many heroes operate in or from New York City. DC set their characters in fictional cities. Marvel purposely sewed their characters into reality while DC purposely separated theirs from reality.

 

[Weezer]

Vulture and Electro, two Spider-Man villains I forgot.

 

[BenGrimm]

WTH are you talking about? Spider-Man has one of, if not the best rogue's gallery in comics. Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, Kraven the Hunter, Sandman, Venom, Chameleon, the Lizard, the Kingpin of Crime(who was coopted into Daredevil but made his first appearances in the pages of Amazing Spider-Man), the Sinister Six, Hobgoblin, Carnage, Scorpion, and probably even more that I'm forgetting. Spider-Man does not lack for villains. Probably the lamest of his villains is the one I think perfectly suited for a movie, though I doubt they ever use him, and that's Mysterio. The Master of Special Effects is hard to really imagine in comics, but they could absolutely make him spring to life on the big screen.

And as for his comics being "too kiddie", have you ever read the death of Gwen Stacy, or the introduction of the Punisher? That's right, even the Punisher was introduced in the pages of Amazing Spider-Man. Maybe the current Spider-Man books are kiddie, I haven't read any in years, but I know from having read many up until about 10 years ago that was not the case.

Maybe by "kiddie" he means "fun".

They've tried to do darker stories with Spider-Man and the character just doesn't work in that setting. Much like Superman.

 

[Weezer]

Maybe by "kiddie" he means "fun".

They've tried to do darker stories with Spider-Man and the character just doesn't work in that setting. Much like Superman.

Spider-Man is a more light-hearted character than say Batman. But that light-heartedness lends itself to powerful stories when a darker tale is told. My example of the death of Gwen Stacy story, that was a powerful story imo. Part of its power was because Spider-Man/Peter Parker is who he is. He's not a character like Batman that closes himself off to emotion, good or bad. He's a human character. Spider-Man can pull off darker stories, but if you continually put him in those stories, you're turning him into a darker hero. Life exists in light and dark. Spider-Man, at least in the past, was good about keeping that balance.

 

[GOATeric14berry]

Spider-Man is a more light-hearted character than say Batman. But that light-heartedness lends itself to powerful stories when a darker tale is told. My example of the death of Gwen Stacy story, that was a powerful story imo. Part of its power was because Spider-Man/Peter Parker is who he is. He's not a character like Batman that closes himself off to emotion, good or bad. He's a human character. Spider-Man can pull off darker stories, but if you continually put him in those stories, you're turning him into a darker hero. Life exists in light and dark. Spider-Man, at least in the past, was good about keeping that balance.

u do know Batman has had his share of death to right. Jason Todd,his parents and barbera gordon getting her career ended. Also I strongly doubt spider man has any villains as dark and twisted as the dollmaker

 

[Weezer]

u do know Batman has had his share of death to right. Jason Todd,his parents and barbera gordon getting her career ended. Also I strongly doubt spider man has any villains as dark and twisted as the dollmaker

I am well aware of Batman's history. You could throw his son Damien into the mix as well. I haven't read any comics in a long time, but I did see on the internet about Damien. Apparently they plan on bringing him back, just as they did Jason Todd. As far as I know, Gwen is still dead. It's comics, so that could have changed, but if so, I haven't heard about it.

My point was Batman is a dark character who never seems to get shaken by loss. He bottles it up and goes on like a robot. You rarely get a glimpse of who Bruce Wayne truly is. Spider-Man/Peter Parker wears his heart on his sleeve. You see how things effect him. You see his humanity.

 

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[Daloth]

If you're going to compare Batman to a Marvel character, try Captain America. Far more alike than Batman and Iron Man.

I like Batman, but I prefer Cap.

Superman is generally compared to the Hulk. The Hulk is a far more developed character than Supes. More thought went into the Hulk's origin than, "we'll have him be an alien that gets superpowers on Earth."

Thor is most often compared to DC's Captain Marvel(AKA Shazam). Given I like both characters, I'd say it's a push.

All that aside, Spider-Man trumps any character DC has. Hell, he's the single greatest comic book character ever created.

I've never seen Supes compared to Hulk outside of power strength, and really they have nothing in common. Superman is the quintessential and unarguably most popular superhero of all time, and he also has one of the best series in All-Star Superman, only really surpassed by some of the greatest comics of all time, Killing Joke, The Watchmen, Sandman, Maus, V for Vendetta, and a few others depending on your view.

Superman's problem is his strength, how do you right actual, believable stories and obstacles for a virtual god? Most writers can't do it, but the few that have make him great.

Not sure I agree with the Batman vs Captain America comparison either, but if you wanted to go that route its still Batman, for multiple reasons.

1. and 2. all time will forever be Superman and Batman, just no way to really surpass them. Spiderman is 3rd, but its a distant 3rd when compared to them, and after Joe Quesada butchered the good stuff Spidey was doing with One More Day and OMIT, its really pushed him back closer to the group.

 

[BenGrimm]

I am well aware of Batman's history. You could throw his son Damien into the mix as well. I haven't read any comics in a long time, but I did see on the internet about Damien. Apparently they plan on bringing him back, just as they did Jason Todd. As far as I know, Gwen is still dead. It's comics, so that could have changed, but if so, I haven't heard about it.

My point was Batman is a dark character who never seems to get shaken by loss. He bottles it up and goes on like a robot. You rarely get a glimpse of who Bruce Wayne truly is. Spider-Man/Peter Parker wears his heart on his sleeve. You see how things effect him. You see his humanity.

NYCC 2014: SPIDER-GWEN Gets Ongoing Series, Marvel Teases the 'THE END IS FOURever', More | Newsarama.com

 

[Weezer]

NYCC 2014: SPIDER-GWEN Gets Ongoing Series, Marvel Teases the 'THE END IS FOURever', More | Newsarama.com

Comic books, where death is never an obstacle. Sad how many great stories get their legs cut out from under them.

 

[BenGrimm]

Comic books, where death is never an obstacle. Sad how many great stories get their legs cut out from under them.

LOL shes from an alternate reality.













....at least I think she is.

I think the death of Gwen is right up there with the death of Uncle Ben in Spider-Man lore. I think she's one of the few characters that her place in the grave is safe.

As long time reader I've just learned to appreciate the good stories for what they are and not get caught up in worrying about retcons.

 

[Weezer]

I've never seen Supes compared to Hulk outside of power strength, and really they have nothing in common. Superman is the quintessential and unarguably most popular superhero of all time, and he also has one of the best series in All-Star Superman, only really surpassed by some of the greatest comics of all time, Killing Joke, The Watchmen, Sandman, Maus, V for Vendetta, and a few others depending on your view.

Superman's problem is his strength, how do you right actual, believable stories and obstacles for a virtual god? Most writers can't do it, but the few that have make him great.

Not sure I agree with the Batman vs Captain America comparison either, but if you wanted to go that route its still Batman, for multiple reasons.

1. and 2. all time will forever be Superman and Batman, just no way to really surpass them. Spiderman is 3rd, but its a distant 3rd when compared to them, and after Joe Quesada butchered the good stuff Spidey was doing with One More Day and OMIT, its really pushed him back closer to the group.

Yeah, I disagree with most of this. I was a long time collector until rising prices and declining stories drove me away. I grew up hanging out in comic shops. Yes, I was that nerd. In all those years, I can tell you the most popular character was Spider-Man, followed by Batman. At one point, Spider-Man was driving 3-4 separate titles while Batman had two. Superman also had two, but they weren't nearly as popular as the Spider-Man and Batman titles. Maybe it was a regional thing, who knows, I can only tell you about the shops I hung out at.

I agree that Superman is the most well-known superhero, mostly because of his early crossover into other media, but that did not translate into sales of comics. Stagnant sales is what led DC to kill him and bring him back. They hoped the media attention would draw in new readers. And the biggest complaint I always heard was he was just too powerful, so I'll agree with you on that too.

The single most popular series during the time I collected was X-Men. Marvel's mutants drove the marketplace. After all things mutants came Spider-Man. DC's big gun was Batman.

Who you like is a personal thing. I like Batman, but there are Marvel characters I prefer. I'm not a huge fan of comic book Superman, but I've always enjoyed the movies. People like what they like. I'm curious if numbers have changed much since I quit collecting. I might have to google sales to see what books are on the top of the sales chart.

 

[Weezer]

LOL shes from an alternate reality.













....at least I think she is.

I think the death of Gwen is right up there with the death of Uncle Ben in Spider-Man lore. I think she's one of the few characters that her place in the grave is safe.

As long time reader I've just learned to appreciate the good stories for what they are and not get caught up in worrying about retcons.

One of the last books I picked up was the reveal of Gwen Stacy's twins and their parentage. I hated that book. I couldn't believe they did that to such a beloved character.

 

[BenGrimm]

Yeah, I disagree with most of this. I was a long time collector until rising prices and declining stories drove me away. I grew up hanging out in comic shops. Yes, I was that nerd. In all those years, I can tell you the most popular character was Spider-Man, followed by Batman. At one point, Spider-Man was driving 3-4 separate titles while Batman had two. Superman also had two, but they weren't nearly as popular as the Spider-Man and Batman titles. Maybe it was a regional thing, who knows, I can only tell you about the shops I hung out at.

I agree that Superman is the most well-known superhero, mostly because of his early crossover into other media, but that did not translate into sales of comics. Stagnant sales is what led DC to kill him and bring him back. They hoped the media attention would draw in new readers. And the biggest complaint I always heard was he was just too powerful, so I'll agree with you on that too.

The single most popular series during the time I collected was X-Men. Marvel's mutants drove the marketplace. After all things mutants came Spider-Man. DC's big gun was Batman.

Who you like is a personal thing. I like Batman, but there are Marvel characters I prefer. I'm not a huge fan of comic book Superman, but I've always enjoyed the movies. People like what they like. I'm curious if numbers have changed much since I quit collecting. I might have to google sales to see what books are on the top of the sales chart.

X-Men dominated the sales charts for close to 3 decades. Spider-Man stayed up there until the clone saga then took a steady dive and years to recover. Batman is DCs most consistent seller but other characters get turns based mostly on the creators working on them at the time. A few years back Marvel made a big push to put the Avengers up on top and it worked.

 

[BenGrimm]

One of the last books I picked up was the reveal of Gwen Stacy's twins and their parentage. I hated that book. I couldn't believe they did that to such a beloved character.

Threw that book across the room when I read it. Stopped getting Spider-Man right then and there. Jumped back on with Brand New Day and really enjoyed the old school approach. Eventually it wore thin and I jumped off . I decided to catch up on the Superior Spider-Man digitally and is a tuff silly been pretty decent.

 

[vols72]

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[BenGrimm]

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Are those real or fan made?

 

[vols72]

Real?