Supposed Air Superiority

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volgr said:
Almost completely 100% wrong and great example of people just regurging the fake news they hear. Russia went in with a relatively small force intent on limiting civilian casualties, quickly knocking out Ukrainian air defense and other high priority targets to set up a slow ground offensive in which they would negotiate with Ukraine as they took more and more ground. They have liberated Mauripol and created a cauldron around the Donbas region where a large amount of Ukrainian fighters are trapped. The cauldron will slowly be closed in until Ukraine either signs a ceasefire or those trapped soldiers are decimated and Russia claims the Donbas.

This notion that Ukraine is fighting this to a stalemate or even winning isnt supported by what is happening on the ground.
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lukeneyland said:
It’s very difficult for me to know who knows better and weed through biases
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Yeah I was curious to know who he followed, because outside of the talking head opinion/editorial shows on CNN/Fox/MSNBC (which I don’t consider to be news at all), the reporting on the war has been consistent.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
This might have been a compelling counter narrative a few decades ago in a world without social media. The amount of geotagged photographic evidence to the contrary posted in real time has been breathtaking.
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Well, we heard weeks ago that Russia was close to running out of supplies. Wrong. We heard Putin may be sick and Russia would likely overthrow him. Wrong, Russia supports the war. We heard these terrible sanctions would crash his economy and he would be overthrown. Wrong, their economy is far from crashing and the Ruble is back to pre-war strength. We heard about Snake Island, Ghost of Kiev, etc...all wrong.

Everything I said, is spot on. If I am wrong, I'll come back and say it. Watch Ukraine get crushed in the Donbas. Tens of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers will he slaughtered. All because Zelensky wont sign a ceasefire due to either being to proud or not allowed to by NATO.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Russia is a mess and Putin is desperate. Their population hasn’t been getting much higher education for decades.

They have massive oil reserves but they don’t have the technical know how and skilled labor force to extract, transport, and refine it. Most of it is below the Siberian mud bog that needs to be frozen to support the heavy equipment needed to get it out. So they can’t pump it out when it warms up.

Too bad for their people that their leaders are so corrupt. They had a great opportunity 30+ years ago to co-exist and to thrive alongside the civilized world.
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Totally false. Russia, under Putin, has been revitalized. Crime, way down. Debt, way down. Inflation, way down. Standard of living, up. Is Putin a saint? No, but a Country doesnt go from Communism to a thriving free market democracy overnight nor do they usually do so without breaking some eggs. Due to decades of sanctions, Putin has wisely positioned Russia to he largely self sufficient due to their overwhelming resources. Also, I wouldnt brag about higher education as I dont know if it isnt one of America's biggest problems at this time.
 
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norrislakevol said:
I know this: I watched Russian tanks....12 of them....move themselves into a kill box and 2 or 3 of them got zapped quickly. With tactics like that, it is mere common sense that they are taking heavy losses. Their mind sets on how to fight a war haven't changed in 100 years. The Brits or the U.S. would wipe them off the map in a conventional war.
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They have made some mistakes no doubt. Their tactics arent near what ours are. Also, they have likely met more resistance than they expected and I dont think they got the Ukrainian defections early in the war like they expected. Still, Russia seems to be achieving their goal, as I laid out.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Who do you listen to in order to stay informed?
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If your source for news on the conflict pushed the Ghost of Kiev or Snake Island, find a new source. If they paint Zelensky as a hero, find a new source. If they advocate for a US/NATO no fly over Ukraine or sending NATO/US troops in, find a new source.

That should really limit your options and you will be more informed than 90% of those around you.
 
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volgr said:
If your source for news on the conflict pushed the Ghost of Kiev or Snake Island, find a new source. If they paint Zelensky as a hero, find a new source. If they advocate for a US/NATO no fly over Ukraine or sending NATO/US troops in, find a new source.

That should really limit your options and you will be more informed than 90% of those around you.
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why all the dancing around his question? You seem hesitant to answer, wonder why 😂
 
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volgr said:
If your source for news on the conflict pushed the Ghost of Kiev or Snake Island, find a new source. If they paint Zelensky as a hero, find a new source. If they advocate for a US/NATO no fly over Ukraine or sending NATO/US troops in, find a new source.

That should really limit your options and you will be more informed than 90% of those around you.
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If your source paints Putin as the liberator of an oppressed Russian minority, find a new source.
 
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volgr said:
They have made some mistakes no doubt. Their tactics arent near what ours were. Also, they have likely met more resistance than they expected and I dont think they got the Ukrainian defections early in the war like they expected. Still, Russia seems to be achieving their goal, as I laid out.
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we don’t know what our current leaderships tactics would be….all I seem to read about preparation is nursing mother uniforms and diversity inclusion
 
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lukeneyland said:
I guess that’s possible. I’ve been shocked by the way this war has gone.
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Yep, everyone skims from military contracts in Russia. Probably overpaying for low-quality stuff that's been made with lots of corners cut to find $ for the corruption and kickbacks. I saw numerous stories about bad tires on the transport vehicles. Out of date ready to eat meals, etc.
 
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volgr said:
"Killed" who later turn up alive?
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Wait..you talking about the one the Chechens said is still alive? And you are believing them? Or is this one of the other 6 (not seven dang you pro Western / American propaganda!!) I guess if my news source was the mouth piece of Russia and various other terrorist muslim nations I'd believe a Chechen too..

9 Colonels killed now. Russia is inept as a fighting force and couldn't even gain any air superiority and take over Kyiv. lol.



Something tells me you have a velvet painting of Baghdad Bob hanging in your house somewhere.
 
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volgr said:
What part is wrong? Truth is not pro-Russia just because you dont like it.
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Literally everything you said. Its 100% Russian propaganda and misinformation aimed to cover their disastrous foray into Ukraine. Plain and simple. Stop watching Iranian news..
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Literally everything you said. Its 100% Russian propaganda and misinformation aimed to cover their disastrous foray into Ukraine. Plain and simple. Stop watching Iranian news..
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So they havent taken Mauripol and the Donbas isnt cauldroned and close to falling?
 
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lukeneyland said:
So do you think both countries have roughly equivalent air capabilities?
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In that theater, yes. Or equal enough that Russians dont have a big advantage. It's always easier to defend than attack, even in the air.

And to your racis in question, I think it's clear that the Russians werent expecting this much resistance. See the liberation argument made by our Russian "non" apologists. So they may not be set to defend against attacks because they didnt foresee it happening.

Also from a logistics standpoint those helicopters could have come from any clear field in Ukraine. While jets/anything without VTOL need a runway. So it's easier for the russians to watch for attacks from runways and other known areas, while the helicopters may have taken off from Farmer Ivan's field.

And like others have said Russias military may not be all its cracked up to be. I am still in the camp that Ukraine is just fighting the conscripts, not the real Russian army. While a lot smaller the real Russian army would probably have done a much better job. But I dont think Putin wants to risk them in guerilla warfare while NATO still looms.
 
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For those wanting an alternate take on Russia's economy from what you are getting from most mainstream sources, I would take a listen on Monday. Also, their previous show in the YT link below from a few weeks ago, went over WHY the sanctions wouldnt work and this was before the Ruble rebounded.

 
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volgr said:
So they havent taken Mauripol and the Donbas isnt cauldroned and close to falling?
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Lol. You said they "liberated" Mauripol. They haven't liberated anything. And thats just a small piece of your misinformation campaign.

And cauldroned. That is the exact type of poorly used "adjective" you see from anti-western propaganda. I'm a little surprised to didn't really up the ante and say something like "The Peoples Heroic liberators of Russia have liberated the concentration camps of Mauripol and liquated the Nazi oppressors on our just special military operation to denazify the evil satanic Nazi infidels of Zelensky and now have formed a cauldron of denazifying chaos around the donbass region".
 
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LouderVol said:
In that theater, yes. Or equal enough that Russians dont have a big advantage. It's always easier to defend than attack, even in the air.

And to your racis in question, I think it's clear that the Russians werent expecting this much resistance. See the liberation argument made by our Russian "non" apologists. So they may not be set to defend against attacks because they didnt foresee it happening.

Also from a logistics standpoint those helicopters could have come from any clear field in Ukraine. While jets/anything without VTOL need a runway. So it's easier for the russians to watch for attacks from runways and other known areas, while the helicopters may have taken off from Farmer Ivan's field.

And like others have said Russias military may not be all its cracked up to be. I am still in the camp that Ukraine is just fighting the conscripts, not the real Russian army. While a lot smaller the real Russian army would probably have done a much better job. But I dont think Putin wants to risk them in guerilla warfare while NATO still looms.
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I definitely didn’t know up until this thread that helicopters possessed such an advantage in stealth. To my untrained eye it still seems like the Russians are holding something back. Ukraine is starting to give me serious South in the Civil War vibes
 
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Wireless1 said:
we don’t know what our current leaderships tactics would be….all I seem to read about preparation is nursing mother uniforms and diversity inclusion
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It's almost like the current thinking about the military is that it's just another bureaucratic organization that should function something like extended daycare for over age toddlers rather than a true military. It's really mind boggling, and the nonsense has to be affecting the morale of the dedicated men and women carrying on the true military tradition. Leaders need to pull their heads out and realize the military is what will stand between you and disaster or annihilation, and the Russian military should be a wake-up call for them.
 
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volgr said:
Many people of Mauripol call it a liberation.
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Maybe like our own damn yankees, misplaced Russians in Ukraine should just go back where they came from? Why is it people move in and feel free to bitch because "this place isn't like back home"?
 
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AM64 said:
Maybe like our own damn yankees, misplaced Russians in Ukraine should just go back where they came from? Why is it people move in and feel free to bitch because "this place isn't like back home"?
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And again, you should feel the same way about Crockett, Bowie and Travis...
 
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