Supreme Court kills affirmative action in university admissions

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BowlBrother85 said:
I doubt this will change the racial make-up of any college or university. Basically, the race/ethnicity questions are gone and such things are not supposed to be determining factors ... but they still can be. Every teenager is America is on social media. Schools of higher learning will still get the information they need to admit who they want and exclude who they don't.

Having said that .... Clarence Thomas should still be criticized for having just struck down a program that once prevented him from being discriminated against. I'm sure he deserved to be admitted anyway ... but it's naive to think that he he would have definitely gotten in without it. Thurgood Marshall had to go to Howard Law School in 1933. No law school in the country with white students would admit him. That's a fact.
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Your obsession with JCT is interesting. The fact that he struck it down means nothing actually. Like your buddy @luthervol says, the country is 'progressing'. Getting rid of arcane, discriminatory practices makes everything better. Whether or not he benefitted is really not the issue. You are just looking for a wall to toss your spaghetti onto that says all Republicans are racists. Guess what, you are failing badly. This is probably one of the most colorblind things I have seen come out of government in years.
 
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McDad said:
It's an interesting how it's all delicately positioned.

Minorities need AA for admission into liberal schools run by liberals lest they be passed over. Liberals attack CJT racially. All the while the liberal position is the epitome of justice and morality with no effort at introspection to examine their racial bias.
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I'm not a fan of CT but there's no need to call him an Uncle Tom. I think the TV show Atlanta has a great take on this and it was essentially the major theme of the entire show. It's not about skin color but social/economic status. The characters go from being poor and black to rich and popular, and become accepted by the same white people that looked down on them previously. African americans still struggling also view them differently. In a sense, they became "white", because the idea of whiteness that permeates our society has less to do with skin color nowadays (except for some hardcore racists, some of which post shamelessly on this board) and more to do with economic class.

I guess this was just a long rant about how Atlanta is a great show.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I doubt this will change the racial make-up of any college or university. Basically, the race/ethnicity questions are gone and such things are not supposed to be determining factors ... but they still can be. Every teenager in America is on social media. Schools of higher learning will still get the information they need to admit who they want and exclude who they don't.

Having said that .... Clarence Thomas should still be criticized for having just struck down a program that once prevented him from being discriminated against. I'm sure he deserved to be admitted anyway ... but it's naive to think that he he would have definitely gotten in without it. Thurgood Marshall had to go to Howard Law School in 1929. No law school in the country with white students would admit him. That's a fact.
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Typical dim. Living in the past to support present lunacy.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Without Affirmative Action in place in 1971, more than likely, Clarence Thomas would have been discriminated against ... because that was common in Ivy League Law Schools at the time. Things have dramatically changed since then ... but it is still fair to point out, that in all probability, Clarence Thomas once benefited from a program that he just struck down.
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He had zero control of any of that. It's not hypocritical for him to apply to law school. Perhaps if he advocated for then and not now.
 
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MercyPercy said:
I'm not a fan of CT but there's no need to call him an Uncle Tom. I think the TV show Atlanta has a great take on this and it was essentially the major theme of the entire show. It's not about skin color but social/economic status. The characters go from being poor and black to rich and popular, and become accepted by the same white people that looked down on them previously. African americans still struggling also view them differently. In a sense, they became "white", because the idea of whiteness that permeates our society has less to do with skin color nowadays (except for some hardcore racists, some of which post shamelessly on this board) and more to do with economic class.

I guess this was just a long rant about how Atlanta is a great show.
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Very telling we aren't actually discussing the 14th amendment and what it actually says and instead we're attacking people and programs which (likely) were founded on an unconstitutional premise.
 
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MercyPercy said:
I'm not a fan of CT but there's no need to call him an Uncle Tom. I think the TV show Atlanta has a great take on this and it was essentially the major theme of the entire show. It's not about skin color but social/economic status. The characters go from being poor and black to rich and popular, and become accepted by the same white people that looked down on them previously. African americans still struggling also view them differently. In a sense, they became "white", because the idea of whiteness that permeates our society has less to do with skin color nowadays (except for some hardcore racists, some of which post shamelessly on this board) and more to do with economic class.

I guess this was just a long rant about how Atlanta is a great show.
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The Brazilian society is incredibly diverse. And they have a very unique understanding of race there.

In Brazil, you can move “up or down” the racial spectrum. It’s largely a function of “success”, be it social or economic.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I doubt this will change the racial make-up of any college or university. Basically, the race/ethnicity questions are gone and such things are not supposed to be determining factors ... but they still can be. Every teenager in America is on social media. Schools of higher learning will still get the information they need to admit who they want and exclude who they don't.

Having said that .... Clarence Thomas should still be criticized for having just struck down a program that once prevented him from being discriminated against. I'm sure he deserved to be admitted anyway ... but it's naive to think that he would have definitely gotten in without it. Thurgood Marshall had to go to Howard Law School in 1929. No law school in the country with white students would admit him. That's a fact.
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Affirmative Action didn’t prevent discrimination, it required it.
 
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hog88 said:
Affirmative Action didn’t prevent discrimination, it required it.
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Wrong.

It probably does depend heavily on the era you are talking about ... but if you don't believe that some qualified black applicants were given the chance to attend college, that they would have otherwise been denied because of their race - then you are ignorant of this country's history. Just like Thurgood Marshall before him, Clarence Thomas would have had to attend an all black law school if he had been born 20 years earlier.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Wrong.

It probably does depend heavily on the era you are talking about ... but if you don't believe that some qualified black applicants were given the chance to attend college, that they would have otherwise been denied because of their race - then you are ignorant of this country's history. Just like Thurgood Marshall before him, Clarence Thomas would have had to attend an all black law school if he had been born 20 years earlier.
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And how many better qualified, smarter, white/asian/indian applicants had to go to a 'lesser' college because a black person was let in because of the quota?

hog (or whoever actually is writing under his banner) was spot on.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Wrong.

It probably does depend heavily on the era you are talking about ... but if you don't believe that some qualified black applicants were given the chance to attend college, that they would have otherwise been denied because of their race - then you are ignorant of this country's history. Just like Thurgood Marshall before him, Clarence Thomas would have had to attend an all black law school if he had been born 20 years earlier.
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If you can’t understand that giving someone a spot in college in 2023 because of race…. is racist against someone else, then you’re the ignorant one
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Wrong.

It probably does depend heavily on the era you are talking about ... but if you don't believe that some qualified black applicants were given the chance to attend college, that they would have otherwise been denied because of their race - then you are ignorant of this country's history. Just like Thurgood Marshall before him, Clarence Thomas would have had to attend an all black law school if he had been born 20 years earlier.
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Was it wrong back then to exclude some and prioritize others because of ethnicity?

If yes, is it not still wrong to exclude some and prioritize others based on ethnicity?
 
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McDad said:
Was it wrong back then to exclude some and prioritize others because of ethnicity?

If yes, is it not still wrong to exclude some and prioritize others based on ethnicity?
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It's a shame that a program such as Affirmative Action ever needed to exist, but clearly there was a time in our country's history when it did. Qualified black applicants were being denied admission to colleges attended by white students. Brown v. Board of Education didn't immediately resolve the separate but equal practice in our nation's schools. There was at least a 20 year lag time when colleges could easily get away with rejecting any and all qualified black applicants.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It's a shame that a program such as Affirmative Action ever needed to exist, but clearly there was a time in our country's history when it did. Qualified black applicants were being denied admission to colleges attended by white students. Brown v. Board of Education didn't immediately resolve the separate but equal practice in our nation's schools. There was at least a 20 year lag time when colleges could easily get away with rejecting any and all qualified black applicants.
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I'm just here watching you attempt to justify systemic racism.
 
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