Supreme Court kills affirmative action in university admissions

[VOLS INC.]

I'm just here watching you attempt to justify systemic racism.

It was this question that made his head explode.

is it not still wrong to exclude some and prioritize others based on ethnicity?

 

[RockyTop85]

I wonder if he is just an Uncle Tom?

That’s gross. Be better.

 

[allvol123]

In one of the more severe blows to AA today, Justice KBJ expressed her views.

 

[volfanhill]

It's been decades. If it's still imperative to have, then it's not effective.

Great point

 

[BowlBrother85]

I'm just here watching you attempt to justify systemic racism.

^^^^ When are you going to stop beating your wife? ^^^^

Lame and lazy debating tactic ... but you would fit in well here.

I don't view Affirmative Action as systemic racism. I view it as being a counter to systemic racism, which did exist before it's implementation.

 

[85SugarVol]

Washington Post -
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/06/29/affirmative-action-business-diversity/

I don’t agree with this. Private business should be afforded tremendous latitude on who they choose to do business with.

it “will put the wind in the sails of groups like ours, who want to get the woke, racially based hiring and promotion schemes out of corporate America,” said Will Hild, executive director of Consumers’ Research, a right-wing advocacy group that has taken aim at the use of environmental and social considerations in the finance sector.

I frequently mock DEI and it’s failings. But I support your private right to engage in it.

DEI should not be banned.
DEI should be outed.

Corporate DEI programs gained momentum in 2020 after George Floyd was murdered by a Minneapolis police officer. Companies worldwide, under public pressure to show their commitment to racial justice, spent an estimated $7.5 billion that year on the measures intended to diversify their workforces and leadership teams.

 

[vols40]

The assumption is that across large numbers the long term effect of racial disparity is not significant enough to justify AA. The reason my reaction to that is mixed is that:

A) I fault AA like this because there's no way to measure either the input of racial disparity or the counter effects AA had on that. Thus there is no way for any university to know it has met its goals and AA may be ended.

But

B) I do think we are short of that mark at this time. So I think it's premature.

Highly educated Asians disagree with you

 

[vols40]

O M G .... that's hilarious .... ROTFLMAO .... so true.

If President Obama was looking to make RBG appear more attractive.... He nailed it nominating SS to the high court.

 

[BowlBrother85]

That’s gross. Be better.

Okay ...

... but he's getting called that all over the place right now .... by prominent blacks in sports and entertainment.

 

[vols40]

Washington Post -
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/06/29/affirmative-action-business-diversity/

I don’t agree with this. Private business should be afforded tremendous latitude on who they choose to do business with.


I frequently mock DEI and it’s failings. But I support your private right to engage in it.

DEI should not be banned.
DEI should be outed.

Wonder where these companies got their hands on 7.5 billion dollars during a worldwide pandemic that brought us there phrase "15 days to slow the spread" and government forced selective shutdowns of "non essential businesses"?

 

[BowlBrother85]

If President Obama was looking to make RBG appear more attractive.... He nailed it nominating SS to the high country.

... but calling Clarence Thomas an Uncle Tom gets jimmies rustled on here? Gotcha.

Any minute now, Michelle Obama will be called an ape.

 

[RockyTop85]

Okay ...

... but he's getting called that all over the place right now .... by prominent blacks in sports and entertainment.

Also gross. Somebody else doing a bad thing does not make it not a bad thing.

 

[vols40]

That’s gross. Be better.

That's not what BB does. He is 100% identity politics.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Also gross. Somebody else doing a bad thing does not make it not a bad thing.

Agree.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

... but calling Clarence Thomas an Uncle Tom gets jimmies rustled on here? Gotcha.

Any minute now, Michelle Obama will be called an ape.

Thanks for the reminder chump. Michelle = Michael.

 

[RockyTop85]

That's not what BB does. He is 100% identity politics.

Bro, you were just discussing the attractiveness of a dead 87 year old. You can sit out any discussions on class.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

I wonder if he is just an Uncle Tom?

What a stupid fkn post.

 

[Vol since 77]

What a stupid fkn post.

Surely you didn't expect any better considering the poster, lol

 

[vols40]

Bro, you were just discussing the attractiveness of a dead 87 year old. You can sit out any discussions on class.

My point stands. But regardless of what I think of her attractiveness RBG wore the shield of a lefty like a badge of honor. You knew where she stood. But the proof is in the lipstick. SS is no Amy Coney Barrett

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Surely you didn't expect any better considering the poster, lol

I have no problem with BB but that comment was dumb.

 

[vols40]

Okay ...

... but he's getting called that all over the place right now .... by prominent blacks in sports and entertainment.

I'm sure Justice Thomas is wrestling with how he will sleep tonight that "prominent blacks in sports and entertainment" are calling him out.


Lmao

 

[volinbham]

^^^^ When are you going to stop beating your wife? ^^^^

Lame and lazy debating tactic ... but you would fit in well here.

I don't view Affirmative Action as systemic racism. I view it as being a counter to systemic racism, which did exist before it's implementation.

racism to counter racism; something about 2 wrongs...Ironically a government imposed system of favoring some races over others is indeed systemic racism.

do you think this ruling means college qualified minorities will not be admitted to college?

 

[vols40]

racism to counter racism; something about 2 wrongs...

do you think this ruling means college qualified minorities will not be admitted to college?

And failed to mention Asians who were being overlooked despite having higher scores.

This one hurts the left so so so so so much.

 

[vols40]

^^^^ When are you going to stop beating your wife? ^^^^

Lame and lazy debating tactic ... but you would fit in well here.

I don't view Affirmative Action as systemic racism. I view it as being a counter to systemic racism, which did exist before it's implementation.

This didn't end affirmative action it is a start to merit based action

 

[volinbham]

I'm not a fan of CT but there's no need to call him an Uncle Tom. I think the TV show Atlanta has a great take on this and it was essentially the major theme of the entire show. It's not about skin color but social/economic status. The characters go from being poor and black to rich and popular, and become accepted by the same white people that looked down on them previously. African americans still struggling also view them differently. In a sense, they became "white", because the idea of whiteness that permeates our society has less to do with skin color nowadays (except for some hardcore racists, some of which post shamelessly on this board) and more to do with economic class.

I guess this was just a long rant about how Atlanta is a great show.

as a tangent - schools in states where racially based admission was already banned (including California) found that using socio-economic status was a poor proxy for race since there are more poor white families than minority ones. In addition - they don't have the resources to serve the low income (who need much scholarship support) so prior to the ban the racial minorities they admitted were from mid and upper income groups who could afford to pay for their programs. Interesting take on diversity (race vs socio-economic status).