Supreme Court kills affirmative action in university admissions

[vols40]

Not sure you have a point there or not .... Between the time that the disgrace of Plessy v. Ferguson was overturned by Brown v. Board of Education in 1954, there was a lag time between when the separate but equal philosophy was finally dumped and the Supreme Court's ruling was capably enforced. The country needed AA ... and it's fair to say that Thomas is aware that at some point in his education it was of benefit to him and to other black students as well.

Democrats held the house of representatives from 1955 ( when Dr Emmett Brown invented the flux capacitor which made time travel possible) until 1994.

Can't blame the Republicans for this one

 

[BowlBrother85]

I highly recommend Gorsuch's concurrence. I don't see how anyone, even one who might otherwise be in favor of AA, could look at the methodology used by the colleges to make determinations of "race" and come away thinking "this is great way of doing things."

I haven't looked at that but I will.

 

[C-south]

... and finally, I meant no offense with the "Uncle Tom" reference. Make no mistake that I loathe Thomas ...but I probably shouldn't have been saying that.

Going to poor myself one last C & C and go to sleep.

Nobody likes a quitter.

 

[volfanhill]

Not sure you have a point there or not .... Between the time that the disgrace of Plessy v. Ferguson was overturned by Brown v. Board of Education in 1954, there was a lag time between when the separate but equal philosophy was finally dumped and the Supreme Court's ruling was capably enforced. The country needed AA ... and it's fair to say that Thomas is aware that at some point in his education it was of benefit to him and to other black students as well.

So the guy in 1874 no benefit but Thomas benefit? Yea man you have no biases.

 

[BowlBrother85]

So the guy in 1874 no benefit but Thomas benefit? Yea man you have no biases.

I'm not sure who this guy in 1874 was or what he studied. I'm guessing a liberal arts major? LOL.

... anyway, maybe you're making a point. Maybe you're not. I'm a little too sauced at this juncture to tell.

Gonna finish watching M3gan on Amazon Prime. It's not bad.

Again ... sorry if offended anyone.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I am as far from a racist as one gets ... I am a liberal largely because I could only be a member of a party of diversity and inclusion. I'm against racism, sexism, anti-semitism and homophobia.

I am also against being a sellout. That's my problem with Clarence Thomas.

No, you aren't. You are vehemently defending a racist policy. You are a lot closer than you admit.

 

[CobbVol]

Catching up on this thread tonight, I see many members of the George Wallace wing of the democratic party.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

The last thing I will say about this and it is a critique of both sides .... The Supreme Court is very much a political body now. We pretty much know how each of the Justices are going to rule based on who appointed them. Political ideology is guiding Constitutional interpretation to an extreme.

LOL

 

[vols40]

I'm not sure who this guy in 1874 was or what he studied. I'm guessing a liberal arts major? LOL.

... anyway, maybe you're making a point. Maybe you're not. I'm a little too sauced at this juncture to tell.

Gonna finish watching M3gan on Amazon Prime. It's not bad.

Again ... sorry if offended anyone.

Freak

Need you to attach breathelizer on @BowlBrother85 account. He's no longer able to post when he blows under .08

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I saw on twitter today where Erica Marsh is a former Biden staffer that left awhile ago.

I didn't think brain death was contagious.

 

[Vol737]

I'm not sure who this guy in 1874 was or what he studied. I'm guessing a liberal arts major? LOL.

... anyway, maybe you're making a point. Maybe you're not. I'm a little too sauced at this juncture to tell.

Gonna finish watching M3gan on Amazon Prime. It's not bad.

Again ... sorry if offended anyone.

Getting the weekend started a little early, are we? That’s the spirit!!

 

[CobbVol]

Rep. Bennie Thompson (MS) has been calling him an Uncle Tom for years ... Thomas doesn't even seem to object to it.

You don't punch down

 

[85SugarVol]

There was a ruling recently that was 8-1 (if not unanimous) and Biden whined about it.

Was that decision politically motivated?

The Court smacked the NCAA 9-0

 

[AM64]

I asked because we have friends and their son wasn’t admitted to MIT. He’s going to TN Tech for Electrical Engineering and he’s convinced he’ll never have the opportunities he’d have had if he’d gotten into MIT.

For what it's worth, I worked with a guy years ago who held an engineering PhD from MIT. Smart, great wit, and very competent. Anyway one day he was telling me that anytime his part of the company needed to make a decision about something they would still call in a consultant ... an "expert". His opinion on that was an expert is a guy in a coat and tie, carrying a briefcase, and based more than 50 miles away. The school label may get someone in the door, but there's no assurance it will pave the way once there or that it will be a status symbol ... unless perhaps the company provides engineering services or consultants and can benefit from the school name. It might be envy or whatever but I've heard more than once that an undergrad degree from MIT is nothing that special ... get the BS somewhere else and the graduate degree at MIT if you are determined to have MIT affixed to your resume.

 

[AM64]

I don't see how the student loans could be barred from a university not complying, technically the money comes from the student since they are borrowing it.

Yeah, but these days the terms "borrow" and "loan" are apparently flexible. If a student loan doesn't necessarily have to be paid back, is it a loan or a government gift to the university?

 

[PEPPERJAX]

I'm not sure who this guy in 1874 was or what he studied. I'm guessing a liberal arts major? LOL.

... anyway, maybe you're making a point. Maybe you're not. I'm a little too sauced at this juncture to tell.

Gonna finish watching M3gan on Amazon Prime. It's not bad.

Again ... sorry if offended anyone.

There are pages of receipts in this thread. Congratulations on showing your azz. A glass of C&C is great with a bowl of Raisin Bran in the morning BTW.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

That’s not the argument. The argument is essentially that minorities have historically had less access to a good education from jump because of economic disadvantages. By accepting a greater number of minorities into higher education then the argument is that more minorities will succeed and their offspring will have a level playing field and there will be no need for affirmative action in the future

 

[RikidyBones]

^^^^ When are you going to stop beating your wife? ^^^^

Lame and lazy debating tactic ... but you would fit in well here.

I don't view Affirmative Action as systemic racism. I view it as being a counter to systemic racism, which did exist before it's implementation.

If you can't understand how it's systemic racism by now, there's no reason to even engage in discussion with you. We get it, you think minorities can't have a chance based on their own merits because they are lesser than you. We get it, you think Asians deserve to be discriminated against and to a degree white people.

It's been explained and like anything else, you refuse to look at this through the lens free of simpleton partisanship.

The dem lords told you to be mad and daggumit you'll come on VN calling Clarence Thomas an Uncle Tom and accuse him of not being qualified for Yale without any proof (so it's only because he's black) all for the party.

Your wife beating comment doesn't make sense and is irrelevant to the conversation.

 

[hog88]

Local news did and interview with the President of Meharry Medical College last night. He said black students could still get a quality education, they might not be able to attend their school of choice now but there are plenty of options for them at HBCUs. If I was black that would be highly insulting to me.

 

[RikidyBones]

That’s not the argument. The argument is essentially that minorities have historically had less access to a good education from jump because of economic disadvantages. By accepting a greater number of minorities into higher education then the argument is that more minorities will succeed and their offspring will have a level playing field and there will be no need for affirmative action in the future

How long into the future? What metric needs to be accomplished? How many generations need to have a significant advantage in admittance and hiring practices to reach this metric?

 

[McDad]

That’s not the argument. The argument is essentially that minorities have historically had less access to a good education from jump because of economic disadvantages. By accepting a greater number of minorities into higher education then the argument is that more minorities will succeed and their offspring will have a level playing field and there will be no need for affirmative action in the future

Are unconstitutional noble efforts exempt from constitutionality because of the effort's intent?

 

[McDad]

If liberals love diversity, inclusion, etc. And liberals are running liberal colleges, why is AA needed in the admissions process?

Still looking for an answer. Any AA supporters care to walk me through the explanation?

 

[tim]

Nobody likes a quitter.

It’s crown and coke. One may argue he never started

 

[85SugarVol]

I highly recommend Gorsuch's concurrence. I don't see how anyone, even one who might otherwise be in favor of AA, could look at the methodology used by the colleges to make determinations of "race" and come away thinking "this is great way of doing things."

Link? Or quotes?

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Are unconstitutional noble efforts exempt from constitutionality because of the effort's intent?

I have never really examined the constitutionality of AA. I simply felt compelled to provide the real argument as opposed to the ignorant argument being perpetuated. It's simply never been an issue on my radar