Supreme Court rules against LGBTQ

[RockyTop85]

The fact is you're just throwing $hit up against the wall and not giving your opinion on politics. That's not conducive to a productive discussion and that's on you

I think my opinion is as clear as I could possibly make it and I think a person of average intelligence could figure it out even from just the posts that I’ve made responding to you. The fact that you read my posts are interested enough to ask my opinion but won’t read to see why I’m not venting my spleen about this like the rest of you is on you.

 

[creekdipper]

That's not to say I disagree with this SC decision. But any business being able to refuse service to anyone for any reason would be problematic.

Problematic in what way?

 

[hog88]

A requirement to be an active women’s sports fan, in order to weigh in on women’s sports, seems like an odd test to me.

I wonder if and doubt he holds the same standard for every topic.

 

[hog88]

You’ve now had three opportunities and have completely ignored the existence of choice of competitions each time. It’s almost like you didn’t know that was a thing and still can’t account for it.

That market will sort itself out. Just like it has with CrossFit or select soccer/softball and high school sports, or the various soccer leagues or the PGA etc. etc. all of them have controversial rules and competitors weigh the costs and benefits and either choose to continue or compete at other events. Nobody goes around harping about those organization’s rules constantly or tries to turn it into an us vs them. (Although I admit to believing you would if right wing pundits made any effort to make you mad about them).

If you can’t raise your kids or grandkids to not feel shame at being beaten by someone with a physiological advantage, they’ve got a tough row to hoe. The women’s 100M world record is 35 years old and it would have finished no better than 8th at the NAIA championship last year. It’s a half second behind the slowest time at the last Olympic final. If a little girl guns a 10.4 or even an 11 in the 100M and needs affirmation from the TSSAA or whatever because someone with a physiological advantage beat her then there’s shame to go around.

Same with marathons, which are routinely run as a single, mixed-gender heat. Same with basically any individual sport in which men have a physiological advantage.

It’s just people making up dumbassed reasons to stay mad about something trivial.

This is some of your dumbest work to date. Keep flailing.

 

[85SugarVol]

I can understand how misrepresenting the discourse as people just “weighing in,” it could lead to some odd results.

I’m confident that anyone who tried to honestly consider the totality of the discussion, would find that the flaw is with “weigh in” and not the test.

You are indeed testy today.

But ok, how about “openly bitch about”?

Do I have to be a big women’s sports fan to feel strongly about who should be competing in women’s sports?

 

[McDad]

You are indeed testy today.

But ok, how about “openly bitch about”?

Do I have to be a big women’s sports fan to feel strongly about who should be competing in women’s sports?

You can be a small womens sports fan. Gymnasts are small.

 

[85SugarVol]

You can be a small womens sports fan. Gymnasts are small.

That’s a 10

 

[kiddiedoc]

You’ve now had three opportunities and have completely ignored the existence of choice of competitions each time. It’s almost like you didn’t know that was a thing and still can’t account for it.

That market will sort itself out. Just like it has with CrossFit or select soccer/softball and high school sports, or the various soccer leagues or the PGA etc. etc. all of them have controversial rules and competitors weigh the costs and benefits and either choose to continue or compete at other events. Nobody goes around harping about those organization’s rules constantly or tries to turn it into an us vs them. (Although I admit to believing you would if right wing pundits made any effort to make you mad about them).

If you can’t raise your kids or grandkids to not feel shame at being beaten by someone with a physiological advantage, they’ve got a tough row to hoe. The women’s 100M world record is 35 years old and it would have finished no better than 8th at the NAIA championship last year. It’s a half second behind the slowest time at the last Olympic final. If a little girl guns a 10.4 or even an 11 in the 100M and needs affirmation from the TSSAA or whatever because someone with a physiological advantage beat her then there’s shame to go around.

Same with marathons, which are routinely run as a single, mixed-gender heat. Same with basically any individual sport in which men have a physiological advantage.

It’s just people making up dumbassed reasons to stay mad about something trivial.

Just. . . .Wow. You truly are enlightened.

You should travel and explain to every player, parent, coach, AD, advertising exec, booster, etc in the country why winning and fair competition don't actually mean anything.

 

[kiddiedoc]

You can be a small womens sports fan. Gymnasts are small.

Nice work, as usual

 

[kiddiedoc]

Also, can someone explain to me how wanting fair competition in sports is a "right wing" view?

 

[RockyTop85]

You are indeed testy today.

But ok, how about “openly bitch about”?

Do I have to be a big women’s sports fan to feel strongly about who should be competing in women’s sports?

I’m not being testy. That’s ridiculous. I’m not under any obligation to acquiesce to whatever strawman you or others choose to create without pointing out the tufts of straw poking out of the collar.

The discussion is whether the outrage at transgender participation in women’s sports is overblown.

Significant interest in women’s sports is not a precondition to holding an opinion, but is certainly a relevant factor in judging the whether a the degree of outrage at a specific topic is being exacerbated by additional factors, such as malignant stupidity.

 

[kiddiedoc]

For the record, am I allowed to post in the Ukraine War thread, as I have no residence or family in the country?

 

[RockyTop85]

Just. . . .Wow. You truly are enlightened.

You should travel and explain to every player, parent, coach, AD, advertising exec, booster, etc in the country why winning and fair competition don't actually mean anything.

Only if you come out and explain the “huge difference” between sports you don’t care about and sports you **** on. You can be my opening act.

 

[kiddiedoc]

You can be my opening act.

All good, you are carrying the stage quite well today!

 

[RockyTop85]

All good, you are carrying the stage quite well today!

Your need for affirmation is showing.

 

[norrislakevol]

I’m not being testy. That’s ridiculous. I’m not under any obligation to acquiesce to whatever strawman you or others choose to create without pointing out the tufts of straw poking out of the collar.

The discussion is whether the outrage at transgender participation in women’s sports is overblown.

Significant interest in women’s sports is not a precondition to holding an opinion, but is certainly a relevant factor in judging the whether a the degree of outrage at a specific topic is being exacerbated by additional factors, such as malignant stupidity.

None of this crap matters. If you were born with male chromosomes, then you shouldn't be able to compete in women's sports. No exceptions.

 

[RockyTop85]

None of this crap matters. If you were born with male chromosomes, then you shouldn't be able to compete in women's sports. No exceptions.

Ok. How about marathons, like the Knoxville Marathon, where the men and women run at the same time. Should competitive women runners be sheltered and run by themselves so they don’t have to feel the “shame” of “losing” to someone who is just physiologically superior or can we just accept that the woman with the fastest time won among the women, just like we always have?

 

[norrislakevol]

Ok. How about marathons, like the Knoxville Marathon, where the men and women run at the same time. Should competitive women runners be sheltered and run by themselves so they don’t have to feel the “shame” of “losing” to someone who is just physiologically superior or can we just accept that the woman with the fastest time won among the women, just like we always have?

Not talking marathons here. I'm talking about biological men competing against women swimmers, women track athletes, women lifters, ect. Those are not sex mingled sports. Add women's basketball. Should "Jamie" that is 6' 5" and born a biological male be able to play women's college or high school basketball with biological girls? You know that "Jamie" would be dunking on all their azzes.

 

[hog88]

Ok. How about marathons, like the Knoxville Marathon, where the men and women run at the same time. Should competitive women runners be sheltered and run by themselves so they don’t have to feel the “shame” of “losing” to someone who is just physiologically superior or can we just accept that the woman with the fastest time won among the women, just like we always have?

This is Lutheresque. Men and women are not competing against each other while running a marathon, they just happen to be running at the same time.

 

[85SugarVol]

I’m not being testy. That’s ridiculous. I’m not under any obligation to acquiesce to whatever strawman you or others choose to create without pointing out the tufts of straw poking out of the collar.

The discussion is whether the outrage at transgender participation in women’s sports is overblown.

Significant interest in women’s sports is not a precondition to holding an opinion, but is certainly a relevant factor in judging the whether a the degree of outrage at a specific topic is being exacerbated by additional factors, such as malignant stupidity.

You’ve read this thread, and the others. I think I’ve been pretty consistent in my support of Trans people being afforded the opportunity to be their authentic selves.

I think I’ve also been pretty consistent with my personal view that they are not entitled to special accommodations not afforded to others.

 

[RockyTop85]

This is Lutheresque. Men and women are not competing against each other while running a marathon, they just happen to be running at the same time.

Try not being an idiot and I believe it will make much more sense. Luther will make more sense sometimes, too.

They run the same path at the same time under the same conditions, the only reason they don’t “compete” with each other and the reason the woman’s achievement is not diminished is because it is universally understood that male and female competitors are not physically equivalent and therefore it does not diminish the achievement, even if a 4th place man who ran as a man were to claim “beating all the women” as an achievement.

The marginal difference between “I won among women but finished behind 10 men” and “I won among women but got beat by one transgender person who has a male anatomy” should approach 0 because it is only opinion of the organization that the competition was an accurate test.

As an analog, loom at the Heisman trophy. Do you think it’s fair that Hendon Hooker didn’t get an invite to the ceremony? Does that change the season that he had? Does it decrease his passing yards or touchdowns? Does it increase the number of interceptions? Do you consider his season a disappointment because the Heisman voters didn’t give him that recognition? Or do you just consider the selection process flawed and stupid?

 

[C-south]

Stoked that you're so supportive of their right to compete within their own genders while referring to their professional sports as, what was it... a "bitch fest?"

Very Christlike, kiddiedoc.

Here’s the thing….they don’t have to compete at all. They can be self aware of their mental illness and realize that the 99.99999999% don’t have to participate in their derangement.

 

[RockyTop85]

You’ve read this thread, and the others. I think I’ve been pretty consistent in my support of Trans people being afforded the opportunity to be their authentic selves.

I think I’ve also been pretty consistent with my personal view that they are not entitled to special accommodations not afforded to others.

The discussion is whether the outrage at transgender participation in women’s sports is overblown.

I say that it is because:
1. The level of outrage is generally very high.
2. It is a relatively trivial matter. (Relative Insignificance of sports, Lack of interest among even those with strong opinions, everyone already accepts that men are superior athletes, the harm is mitigated by choice of competition governing bodies).
3. There is not a similar level of outrage at other trivial sport “unfairness.” (Insert every sport ever).

I think that fits basically everything into three broad categories, but I may have overlooked some.

 

[hog88]

Try not being an idiot and I believe it will make much more sense. Luther will make more sense sometimes, too.

They run the same path at the same time under the same conditions, the only reason they don’t “compete” with each other and the reason the woman’s achievement is not diminished is because it is universally understood that male and female competitors are not physically equivalent and therefore it does not diminish the achievement, even if a 4th place man who ran as a man were to claim “beating all the women” as an achievement.

The marginal difference between “I won among women but finished behind 10 men” and “I won among women but got beat by one transgender person who has a male anatomy” should approach 0 because it is only opinion of the organization that the competition was an accurate test.

As an analog, loom at the Heisman trophy. Do you think it’s fair that Hendon Hooker didn’t get an invite to the ceremony? Does that change the season that he had? Does it decrease his passing yards or touchdowns? Does it increase the number of interceptions? Do you consider his season a disappointment because the Heisman voters didn’t give him that recognition? Or do you just consider the selection process flawed and stupid?

Dude I hope you come up with better arguments in court than "It doesn't matter because everyone still knows the girl lost to a guy but she's still a winner" and that is what your argument boils down to. Asinine.

 

[RockyTop85]

Not talking marathons here. I'm talking about biological men competing against women swimmers, women track athletes, women lifters, ect. Those are not sex mingled sports. Add women's basketball. Should "Jamie" that is 6' 5" and born a biological male be able to play women's college or high school basketball with biological girls? You know that "Jamie" would be dunking on all their azzes.

I think marathons are analogous to those events. I think my response to Hog covered what I was trying to convey with this.

I do see a distinction between team sports and timed individual sports because “what would have happened” is less obvious in team sports. “If Jamie hadn’t rolled Christina’s ankle when he dunked on the third quarter…” we’ve had a lot of practice as UT fans and it’s rarely as cut and dry as “If Dooley hadn’t put 13 men on the field.”

Ironically, most of the outrage seems to be about cycling, swimming, and running where determining who the fastest woman was is no harder than determining who the women were.