Supreme Court rules against LGBTQ

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#177
Sea Ray said:
A Jewish person, say an accountant or whatever, should not be compelled to do Louis Farrakhan's taxes. This is America and there should be consequences to Farrakhan and what he says and does
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I agree, Louis's an ass and I wouldn't work for him either. But said accountant refusing to work for any black person on principle, or Joe Christian refusing to let the accountant eat at his restaurant because he's Jewish, would be a problem.
 
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hog88 said:
RT85 is just being an ass as usual.

I don't care about or watch much womens sports outside of UT softball but I have 2 and soon to be 3 granddaughters and if they choose to play sports I don't want their opportunities limited because of guys taking their spots.
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It's really not hard to say that people have to compete in what they were born as. To ignore the fundamental physiological differences is just beyond idiotic. I don't understand it.
 
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ButchPlz said:
I don't disagree with you, and I'm not defending my decision not to watch it. I just find the whole fundamentals argument to be terrible, especially when adult and professional women's teams always get waxed by boys U-15s across the board. That's a fundamentals problem there.
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You're confusing fundamentals with athleticism.
 
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hog88 said:
You're confusing fundamentals with athleticism.
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Maybe with full-on adults, but even the high-level U-15s, etc. have to play with some serious fundamentals- they just aren't developed enough yet. To me athleticism is just ability to more rapidly do the fundamentals anyway. And a lot of times we've seen underdogs and outgunned teams win by executing well. It literally never happens between women and men.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Maybe with full-on adults, but even the high-level U-15s, etc. have to play with some serious fundamentals- they just aren't developed enough yet. To me athleticism is just ability to more rapidly do the fundamentals anyway. And a lot of times we've seen underdogs and outgunned teams win by executing well. It literally never happens between women and men.
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It shouldn't happen between women and men.
 
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Sea Ray said:
Rather than respond with such sarcastic personal attacks, which of course get us nowhere, how 'bout responding with substance? How 'bout clearly stating your stance on trans folks like Lia Thomas competing in women's sports?
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Lol. Yea I don’t think we’ve seen where they/them actually stand on the issue. Not sure if it’s against dudes beating up on women while being against people complaining about it who don’t post in the lady VOLS forum or for dudes beating up on women and using some sort of deranged mental breakdown as a defense.
 
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hog88 said:
You're confusing fundamentals with athleticism.
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It’s also all relative.

Once you’ve seen a guy launch himself 15 feet in the air and dunk over 2 other guys, followed by a player on the other team answering by draining a 30ft shot like it’s nothing…it’s really hard to get all that pumped about 2 hours of 10 ft jumpers and lay-ups.

It’s like anything else, if you are aware of a superior product on the market, it’s hard to get pumped about settling for the inferior product.
 
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hog88 said:
That is wrong. I posted a link earlier showing all of the laws requiring segregation in the private sector.
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The link you posted is interesting, thanks. In Virginia, in my early memories and from my parents' comments, integration of restaurants for example was up to the owner. There were restaurants that would serve blacks and others that wouldn't. And things that weren't segregated in SWVa were in Central VA.
 
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EasternVol said:
The link you posted is interesting, thanks. In Virginia, in my early memories and from my parents' comments, integration of restaurants for example was up to the owner. There were restaurants that would serve blacks and others that wouldn't. And things that weren't segregated in SWVa were in Central VA.
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I grew up in SWVa (Riner) after segregation of course but my parents lived through it and I've heard the stories. What I gathered from listing to them and others is there were so few black people in the area segregation wasn't really a thing.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Maybe with full-on adults, but even the high-level U-15s, etc. have to play with some serious fundamentals- they just aren't developed enough yet. To me athleticism is just ability to more rapidly do the fundamentals anyway. And a lot of times we've seen underdogs and outgunned teams win by executing well. It literally never happens between women and men.
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Of course we are talking about the WNBA, because that is the topic...but while we're talking about HS...the starting center at my HS couldn't catch a bounce pass but he was 6' 6" and could run like a deer. The women's team didn't have that, so they had to catch bounce passes.
 
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ButchPlz said:
I don't disagree with you, and I'm not defending my decision not to watch it. I just find the whole fundamentals argument to be terrible, especially when adult and professional women's teams always get waxed by boys U-15s across the board. That's a fundamentals problem there.
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Cool. Just don't let the lowest common denominator people on the 'net put you on the defensive for such stuff. You don't have to defend why you don't care about the Lady Vols and it doesn't make you a misogynist.
 
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EasternVol said:
I agree, Louis's an ass and I wouldn't work for him either. But said accountant refusing to work for any black person on principle, or Joe Christian refusing to let the accountant eat at his restaurant because he's Jewish, would be a problem.
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Agreed. It's got to be based on ideology and not race, religion, sexual orientation. A born again Christian working at Deloitte Touche should not refuse to do accounting work for Johnny Weir if he comes walking in their door
 
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Personally I don't find it very appealing from a competitive standpoint that trans folk are occasionally dominating women's sports, but I also don't follow women's sports at all so I'm not throwing a fit about it. I think Rockytop's point regarding the histrionics displayed when something like that happens is more rooted in a desire to virtue signal since the ones complaining are essentially like me and don't follow women's sports whatsoever. It's just another divisive issue to get everyone riled up and apparently it's working.
 
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MercyPercy said:
Personally I don't find it very appealing from a competitive standpoint that trans folk are occasionally dominating women's sports, but I also don't follow women's sports at all so I'm not throwing a fit about it. I think Rockytop's point regarding the histrionics displayed when something like that happens is more rooted in a desire to virtue signal since the ones complaining are essentially like me and don't follow women's sports whatsoever. It's just another divisive issue to get everyone riled up and apparently it's working.
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Why do you have to follow womens sports to support women being afforded the opportunity to compete? That's like saying "I'm not black, don't know any black people so why should I get riled up about civil rights?"

Lot's of men don't follow womens sports but have sisters, daughters, granddaughters, cousins, nieces ext that play sports.
 
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hog88 said:
Why do you have to follow womens sports to support women being afforded the opportunity to compete? That's like saying "I'm not black, don't know any black people so why should I get riled up about civil rights?"

Lot's of men don't follow womens sports but have sisters, daughters, granddaughters, cousins, nieces ext that play sports.
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You don't, but personally I find it hard to give that much of a damn to die on a hill for it. I would let the players vote on it.
 
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Sea Ray said:
Rather than respond with such sarcastic personal attacks, which of course get us nowhere, how 'bout responding with substance? How 'bout clearly stating your stance on trans folks like Lia Thomas competing in women's sports?
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As soon as you all clearly state your stance on PED testing in Masters CrossFit with similar quantity and intensity of outrage.
 
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hog88 said:
The sad fact is most players aren't given a chance to vote on it, their only vote is with their feet and walking away from playing.
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This isn’t actually true. There are private competition organizers and governing bodies like FINA/World Aquatics that provide the option of competition under a different set of rules. FINA banned transgender athletes last year.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
This isn’t actually true. There are private competition organizers and governing bodies like FINA/World Aquatics that provide the option of competition under a different set of rules. FINA banned transgender athletes last year.
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Great but currently there are at least 15 states that allow trans men to participate in womens scholastic sports by simply identifying as female. There are about 10 more that allow it with simple statements by family or medical professionals. With that being said, that is a state issue and the citizens in those states can act to change those rules.
 
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hog88 said:
Great but currently there are at least 15 states that allow trans men to participate in womens scholastic sports by simply identifying as female. There are about 10 more that allow it with simple statements by family or medical professionals. With that being said, that is a state issue and the citizens in those states can act to change those rules.
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Sounds like the very definition of having a chance to vote on it.
 
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