Supreme Court rules against LGBTQ

[ButchPlz]

Don't lie and tell me you wouldn't pay to see Ginny Antetokounmpo dunk all over Britney Griner.

100%. Same reason I wish they'd televise when U-14 boys teams beat the ever living **** out of the USWNT in soccer. Sometimes a slaughter is fun.

 

[n_huffhines]

An organization that is subsidized, operates at a huge loss by mostly chics that cry about how awful our country is and b**** about getting a meritless pay increase deserves all ridicule they get. It’s an awful product on top of that.

Link to financials? All I've seen is owners claiming an accounting loss, but I would bet all my ****ing money that they are not operating at an economic loss. Why would anybody want to buy a team if that were true? I know you want to believe it so you can throw rocks, but an ounce of skepticism would do you good.

Your mind is poisoned. A few WNBA players have been vocal with complaints about our country. Everybody here in the politics forum is doing that. You just don't like their complaints. Literally, 90% of people in America think they deserve more pay and somehow, you turn that into a reason to villainize women hoopers. Why? So many double standards, bro.

 

[n_huffhines]

The outrage at “making a mockery” of women’s sports while the exact same people are mocking another women’s sport had me rolling. 10/10. Well done.

It's crazy, right? Some people really do have **** for brains

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Well now you’ve waded into special treatment.

I have always said that Trans people are not entitled to special treatment.
Lia is not entitled to compete against girls.
Lia is not entitled to shower in the girls locker room.

Lia simply being Trans doesn’t harm anyone though.

But wiLIAm is not a girl. His competing in women's events absolutely does harm people.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Pretty low stakes there, buddy.

It's a problem but the amount of attention relative to the stakes....a bunch of people who cared nothing about women's swimming suddenly spending their time worried about it.

Red herring

 

[Orangeburst]

Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes tells U.S. Supreme Court to shove it

radical right wing Scotus
go ahead and ignore the supreme law of the land and prepare to get ur ass personally sued

 

[C-south]

Link to financials? All I've seen is owners claiming an accounting loss, but I would bet all my ****ing money that they are not operating at an economic loss. Why would anybody want to buy a team if that were true? I know you want to believe it so you can throw rocks, but an ounce of skepticism would do you good.

Your mind is poisoned. A few WNBA players have been vocal with complaints about our country. Everybody here in the politics forum is doing that. You just don't like their complaints. Literally, 90% of people in America think they deserve more pay and somehow, you turn that into a reason to villainize women hoopers. Why? So many double standards, bro.

If a league brings in $60 million and it costs $70 million to operate it’s kind of a no brainer. Not that even takes into account the welfare the nba throws in. It’s a terrible product which is why it has abysmal attendance and abysmal tv ratings. Your looney leftism can’t spin facts.

 

[85SugarVol]

But wiLIAm is not a girl. His competing in women's events absolutely does harm people.

You quoted a post where I literally said she should not be competing against girls.

But Lia simply identifying as Trans and living her life as female doesn’t hurt anyone.

 

[vols40]

Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes tells U.S. Supreme Court to shove it

radical right wing Scotus
go ahead and ignore the supreme law of the land and prepare to get ur ass personally sued

They can do what they want as long as Merrick Fife is AG therewill be no prosecution.

 

[Vol8188]

IDK why the WNBA catches so many strays but clearly people are watching if they get so many national games on TV. I was at a game last week with my 5 YO and there must've been almost 10k people there, and the home team's 2 best players were out.

The owners deceive and say the WNBA isn't healthy bc they don't want to pay players more, but they are not running a charity. I'm sure they use accounting tricks, like charging themselves enough building rental to show a loss. They are never forthright about this stuff and don't have to be because it's not public info.

Ishbia just bought the Suns and he specifically said he wanted to purchase a team that would include the purchase of the city's WNBA team, too. Why? People who hate women's sports are all too eager to lap up the lie.

Your average WNBA crowd is well below that of your average NBA game. Most NBA teams are averaging 15k-20k fans a game. With no one being below 15k. The best WNBA team averages 10k and the worst averages 1k fans per game. Then you have to add in the lower ticket prices and the decreased TV revenue.

Are they profitable? Probably. But this idea that they’ve got all this money they’re just lying about is laughable.

This is the WNBA version of the “inflation is because businesses are greedy” argument

 

[Sea Ray]

Your average WNBA crowd is well below that of your average NBA game. Most NBA teams are averaging 15k-20k fans a game. With no one being below 15k. The best WNBA team averages 10k and the worst averages 1k fans per game. Then you have to add in the lower ticket prices and the decreased TV revenue.

Are they profitable? Probably. But this idea that they’ve got all this money they’re just lying about is laughable.

This is the WNBA version of the “inflation is because businesses are greedy” argument

It's been nearly 30 yrs and the WNBA still is not profitable

Over the next 25 years, the league has seen minimal growth. Despite countless talented women coming about during its time, it just can't seem to get off the ground.


Since there has been minimal growth since its birth, many wonder if the league brings in any money. The answer to that question is no.

Is the WNBA a profitable league in 2023: Examining how the league is performing financially over the years

 

[n_huffhines]

If a league brings in $60 million and it costs $70 million to operate it’s kind of a no brainer. Not that even takes into account the welfare the nba throws in. It’s a terrible product which is why it has abysmal attendance and abysmal tv ratings. Your looney leftism can’t spin facts.

So you believe Adam Silver. You bit hook, line,and sinker. It's not a fact about economic profit. It's a claim about accounting and I am talking economic profit.

You probably believed the MLB when they said some team owners were in the red, but we all know how that turned out (or maybe you don't).

Why did the owners agree to a new CBA with better pay in 2020? Are these guys fkn idiots or do they know something we don't know? It's almost certainly the latter. How can they not turn a profit with 6,000 average attendance playing in arenas that the owners already own?

 

[Vol8188]

How can they not turn a profit with 6,000 average attendance playing in arenas that the owners already own?

I think the answer is “they don’t turn a profit” or “they have a very small profit if any”.

But that is a great question. How can they be profitable with so few fans? Do you have an answer

 

[Sea Ray]

So you believe Adam Silver. You bit hook, line,and sinker. It's not a fact about economic profit. It's a claim about accounting and I am talking economic profit.

You probably believed the MLB when they said some team owners were in the red, but we all know how that turned out (or maybe you don't).

Why did the owners agree to a new CBA with better pay in 2020? Are these guys fkn idiots or do they know something we don't know? It's almost certainly the latter. How can they not turn a profit with 6,000 average attendance playing in arenas that the owners already own?

I would say the owners are doing the WNBA for political reasons. Consider it a community fund, charity or whatever

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

So you believe Adam Silver. You bit hook, line,and sinker. It's not a fact about economic profit. It's a claim about accounting and I am talking economic profit.

You probably believed the MLB when they said some team owners were in the red, but we all know how that turned out (or maybe you don't).

Why did the owners agree to a new CBA with better pay in 2020? Are these guys fkn idiots or do they know something we don't know? It's almost certainly the latter. How can they not turn a profit with 6,000 average attendance playing in arenas that the owners already own?

One can look at the valuation from the most recent venture capital infusion into the league and realize teams are marginally profitable at best after all accounting gimmicks...

I dont trust Silver hook line and sinker but at some point, you got to follow the $$$....

 

[n_huffhines]

I would say the owners are doing the WNBA for political reasons. Consider it a community fund, charity or whatever

Ain't no way, bro. They're only paying 20% of revenue to the players. NBA pays 50%. They're dispersing administrative and building rental costs, many of which are undoubtedly fixed costs, across the WNBA. Sure there are some variable costs with coaching, training, and travel. But it's a write-off for many expenses they have either way. It allows them to use the same fixed costs, bring in more revenue, and invest in basketball in their city.

 

[n_huffhines]

One can look at the valuation from the most recent venture capital infusion into the league and realize teams are marginally profitable at best after all accounting gimmicks...

I dont trust Silver hook line and sinker but at some point, you got to follow the $$$....

I'm not saying it's some hugely profitable enterprise. I'm just saying you shouldn't believe them when they say they've been taking a $10m bath each year for 30 years. No fkn way.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

So you believe Adam Silver. You bit hook, line,and sinker. It's not a fact about economic profit. It's a claim about accounting and I am talking economic profit.

You probably believed the MLB when they said some team owners were in the red, but we all know how that turned out (or maybe you don't).

Why did the owners agree to a new CBA with better pay in 2020? Are these guys fkn idiots or do they know something we don't know? It's almost certainly the latter. How can they not turn a profit with 6,000 average attendance playing in arenas that the owners already own?

There is an economic cost to renting out an arena at 1/3 capacity. The Grizzlies have that issue with the Memphis Tigers. Each event at 6 or 7k fans (it can be U of Memphis basketball) is fewer dates for concerts, wrasslin, etc. events. In the Grizzlies case, they make a lot of $$$ from those events, especially compared to Tigers basketball....

 

[n_huffhines]

There is an economic cost to renting out an arena at 1/3 capacity. The Grizzlies have that issue with the Memphis Tigers. Each event at 6 or 7k fans (it can be U of Memphis basketball) is fewer dates for concerts, wrasslin, etc. events. In the Grizzlies case, they make a lot of $$$ from those events, especially compared to Tigers basketball....

Right, but they don't book the arenas everyday. The WNBA releases its schedule 6 months before the season starts, so they already know when Imagine Dragons are in town.

Edit: looks like Crypto.com Arena has 2 NBA teams and a WNBA team and they still have 100 open dates.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Right, but they don't book the arenas everyday. The WNBA releases its schedule 6 months before the season starts, so they already know when Imagine Dragons are in town.

Edit: looks like Crypto.com Arena has 2 NBA teams and a WNBA team and they still have 100 open dates.

The Crypt has a lot more leverage on dates with concerts in LA (due to the market) than Memphis does.....

If the FedExForum is booked when the artist is in the Southeast, they skip Memphis. If the Crypt is booked, they just choose a different date....

 

[Sea Ray]

Ain't no way, bro. They're only paying 20% of revenue to the players. NBA pays 50%. They're dispersing administrative and building rental costs, many of which are undoubtedly fixed costs, across the WNBA. Sure there are some variable costs with coaching, training, and travel. But it's a write-off for many expenses they have either way. It allows them to use the same fixed costs, bring in more revenue, and invest in basketball in their city.

Other than "one guy on Volnation" I've never seen a source that claims the WNBA is in the black. I'd think they would shout it from the rooftops if/when it happens. I have this policy that's served me pretty well: don't believe unsupported claims made on the internet

 

[n_huffhines]

The Crypt has a lot more leverage on dates with concerts in LA (due to the market) than Memphis does.....

If the FedExForum is booked when the artist is in the Southeast, they skip Memphis. If the Crypt is booked, they just choose a different date....

They book these concerts so far in advance, tho.

BTW, crypto has a lot more venues in the area to compete with them, so not sure about their leverage.

 

[C-south]

So you believe Adam Silver. You bit hook, line,and sinker. It's not a fact about economic profit. It's a claim about accounting and I am talking economic profit.

You probably believed the MLB when they said some team owners were in the red, but we all know how that turned out (or maybe you don't).

Why did the owners agree to a new CBA with better pay in 2020? Are these guys fkn idiots or do they know something we don't know? It's almost certainly the latter. How can they not turn a profit with 6,000 average attendance playing in arenas that the owners already own?

I believe what I see. The product is awful. The ratings are awful. Attendance is awful. Why does the NBA subsidize their league if they’re making money?

 

[Sea Ray]

I believe what I see. The product is awful. The ratings are awful. Attendance is awful. Why does the NBA subsidize their league if they’re making money?

Riddle me this:

Why would any business suffer losses for 25+ years and not pull the plug? That's something more than patience. That's either politics or charity

 

[creekdipper]

For those saying that any business should be able to refuse service to anyone for any reason: do you remember segregation? Do you remember any 'whites only' businesses operating after desegregation?

Yes, and remember that segregation was instituted and enforced by government. In fact, business owners were helpless to oppose legal segregation unless they wanted to be fined or jailed in many instances.

That's a far cry from allowi g the owners to decide for themselves whom to serve. And businesses can pretty much refuse service for any reason except to members of a "protected class."