Supreme Court upholds ObamaCare.

[GoBigOrange86]

I dont see how Romney can take advantage of this in November.

It's the biggest regressive tax increase in history. This will hit middle class people way, way harder than it will hit the wealthy or the very poor. And Obama promised he wouldn't raise taxes on anyone making under $250,000. That's proven unequivocally to be false given this ruling.

 

[therealUT]

Roberts is shrewd.

 

[dreVol]

Which is, as I understand it, how the supreme court should operate.

that's a fair point. my beef is that the administration made an 11th hour argument that it's a tax and that's what saved them. in so doing, they also bypassed the legislative process to institute said tax

 

[NEO]

Roberts is shrewd.

you think he passed it and labeled is as a tax to help romney get in?


huge gamble.

 

[milohimself]

that's a fair point. my beef is that the administration made an 11th hour argument that it's a tax and that's what saved them. in so doing, they also bypassed the legislative process to institute said tax

I don't think that's how it went down. I'm not aware that the administration presented it as a tax during oral arguments at all. As far as I know Roberts decided to rule on the issue as a tax entirely of his own volition.

 

[NEO]

2 questions:

1. If you are married, why take sand to the beach?
2. How much will your living expenses be per month?

Good luck...

Dont quite understand the first question.

Second, while its only me in the beginning I will stay at the office as I am having a small shower installed and my couch is a pull out.

 

[dreVol]

you think he passed it and labeled is as a tax to help romney get in?


huge gamble.

I don't think that's what trut is saying. Roberts made a gigantic stride in constistuional jurisprudence. In addition, he preserved the Court's image to the public at large. Finally, he paved the way to Obamacare's repeal, because it's procedurally easier to repeal a tax (no filibuster, straight majority).

 

[milohimself]

you think he passed it and labeled is as a tax to help romney get in?


huge gamble.

I personally think Roberts continued on his path of trying to stay above the political fray

 

[dreVol]

I don't think that's how it went down. I'm not aware that the administration presented it as a tax during oral arguments at all. As far as I know Roberts decided to rule on the issue as a tax entirely of his own volition.

I believe it was mentioned during oral arguments and in the brief. I'm pretty sire Roberts made the cigarette tax analogy during the oral arguments. Not positive though

 

[milohimself]

I don't think that's what trut is saying. Roberts made a gigantic stride in constistuional jurisprudence. In addition, he preserved the Court's image to the public at large. Finally, he paved the way to Obamacare's repeal, because it's procedurally easier to repeal a tax (no filibuster, straight majority).

That is assuming republicans sweep the elections

 

[NEO]

I don't think that's what trut is saying. Roberts made a gigantic stride in constistuional jurisprudence. In addition, he preserved the Court's image to the public at large. Finally, he paved the way to Obamacare's repeal, because it's procedurally easier to repeal a tax (no filibuster, straight majority).

His use of shrewd threw me.

Took it meaning it was a power play move.

 

[dreVol]

That is assuming republicans sweep the elections

oh no doubt. I'm interested to see if the TP rumbles to life based on the "largest tax in history" stuff

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

I'm confused. Didn't Kagan help write the bill? Shouldn't she recuse herself like she did in the immigration ruling?


As solicitor general of the United States, Kagan headed up an office that formulated the Obama administration’s legal defense of the legislation.
She is obliged under Section 455(b)(3) of Title 28 of the U.S. Code to recuse herself from cases where a justice has “served in governmental employment and in such capacity participated as counsel, adviser, or material witness concerning the proceeding or expressed an opinion concerning the merits of the particular case or controversy.”
In February, Senator Jeff Sessions cited United States v. Gipson, a decision made by the Tenth Circuit that held judges who have “previously taken a part, albeit small, in the investigation, preparation, or prosecution of a case” must disqualify themselves.
“Previously undisclosed e-mails that the Justice Department has released pursuant to court order demonstrate Kagan’s direct involvement in the administration’s defense of the president’s health law from the very beginning,” writes Sessions. “In January 2010, she assigned her chief and only political deputy, Neal Katyal, to the matter — the legal equivalent of a firm’s senior partner delegating work to a junior associate. That same month Katyal wrote in an e-mail to the associate attorney general’s office that ‘Elena would definitely like OSG [Office of Solicitor General] to be involved in this set of issues.’ These actions alone constitute personal participation in the preparation of the case, and that is all §455(b)(3) requires to trigger mandatory recusal.”
“Justice Kagan’s involvement in the preparation of the government’s defense of the health-care law began at least as early as January 2010, four months before her nomination and two months before the bill became law. That she would not follow the same course in the health-care case is dubious. These facts require recusal,” Sessions concludes.
During confirmation before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Kagan promised in a written questionnaire that she would follow the “letter and spirit” of 28 U.S.C. 455.

 

[BigPapaVol]

I'm confused. Didn't Kagan help write the bill? Shouldn't she have recused herself like she did in the immigration ruling?

I recall this being debated and not sure how she justified staying involved.

 

[mtt2d]

How will the government enforce people who dont buy health insurance? Will they wait until the uninsured show up to the doctor's office or hospital?

 

[Velo Vol]

Next stop on the DOW, 12,000. Prepare for epic market meltdown.

Dow is down 151 and falling

Great call. The bottom fell out of the markets today and the Dow collapsed a whopping 25 points.

You guys should run a hedge fund.

 

[lawgator1]

Not grand standing...just a little shocked at the ruling and saddened.

I think everyone is quite surprised. And very much so that it was Roberts who cast the most meaningful vote (relative, that is, to what was expected).

The Dems last night on tv all looked sure they were going to lose, the GOPers seemed confident.

And then wallah.

 

[therealUT]

How will the government enforce people who dont buy health insurance? Will they wait until the uninsured show up to the doctor's office or hospital?

You will list your insurance information on your tax return.

 

[MG1968]

open enrollment at my employer is going to be interesting this year

 

[mtt2d]

You will list your insurance information on your tax return.

Okay thanks.

 

[BigPapaVol]

open enrollment at my employer is going to be interesting this year

I have almost no doubt that we'll quit providing insurance, since the only upside is the guaranteed issue. With that gone, the pricing is about to get iffy and employers are best served to get out of that business.

 

[vols-1]

I'm already hearing the drumbeat of "biggest tax increase in history".

Obama care will be paid for the same way Romney care was paid for.

 

[EvanStalcup1990]

So what is my best move as someone who works for a big time corporation? Still pay for my HC through my employer or go to Obamacare?

 

[BigPapaVol]

Obama care will be paid for the same way Romney care was paid for.

uh, no it won't.

 

[Gramps]

So what is my best move as someone who works for a big time corporation? Still pay for my HC through my employer or go to Obamacare?

Stay with your company insurance ,buying as an individual onthe market is very expensive if you get descent coverage.