Syrian Kurds are close to declaring Independence

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Stew Cook said:
Your viewpoint is interesting considering it is counter to just about every Republican. But, yeah "it's what the Libs want so..."

Whose opinion do think you are actually swaying here?

At least he's calling it what it is
.. "An attack on the Kurds".
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Erdogan is a ghoul boasting about the body-count of Kurds they've already killed. He sounds a lot like Slobodan Milošević at this point. For everyone's sake, let's pray this doesn't lead to an ethnic cleansing situation.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It is not NEARLY that simple, and you know it. Plenty of Republicans are unhappy with the way he did this, as well.

For the record, my gripe is not that he withdrew troops. I am for that in the big picture, too. But doing it on a whim, in such a manner as to capture everyone by surprise so that people suddenly have to leave as war refugees, leaving the Kurds unprepared to defend themselves from an invasion, creating an opportuniy for ISIS fighters to be released or easily escape and merge into the background, and not consulting with anyone at all beforehand, was just stupid. Plenty of Republicans feel the same way.
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Plenty of Republicans are war hawks that would gladly see us in perpetual warfare in the Middle East.

Again, what other choice was there?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Plenty of Republicans are war hawks that would gladly see us in perpetual warfare in the Middle East.

Again, what other choice was there?
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Discreetly work with the Kurds and allies with goal to withdraw in sensible fashion and not have Turkey invade the next day. For starters.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Discreetly work with the Kurds and allies with goal to withdraw in sensible fashion and not have Turkey invade the next day. For starters.
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Agreed. But that greatly depends on whether the Turks would play ball. We were working with them and they backed out.
 
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Rifleman said:
Putin, Rouhani, and Erdogan had a tri-lateral summit on September 16th.

I wonder if the Kurds came up?
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Putin ?

Why am I not surprised.

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Sandman 423 said:
Do you think that Erodogan believes that Trump will do anything if he crosses Trumps "red line"?
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I think one of two things happened: Either,

1) Erdogan tricked him, manipulated him. Probably promised to come to the WH and sing Trump's praises about helping to end the civil war in Syria by doing this.

or

2) Putin manipulated Trump into doing it. Similar promises and representations about how everything would work out well and make Trump look good.

In either event, this was ab out distraction from impeachment and Trump is just flat out way too impulsive and compromised to remain President.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think one of two things happened: Either,

1) Erdogan tricked him, manipulated him. Probably promised to come to the WH and sing Trump's praises about helping to end the civil war in Syria by doing this.

or

2) Putin manipulated Trump into doing it. Similar promises and representations about how everything would work out well and make Trump look good.

In either event, this was ab out distraction from impeachment and Trump is just flat out way too impulsive and compromised to remain President.
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False dichotomy. Look it up.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think one of two things happened: Either,

1) Erdogan tricked him, manipulated him. Probably promised to come to the WH and sing Trump's praises about helping to end the civil war in Syria by doing this.

or

2) Putin manipulated Trump into doing it. Similar promises and representations about how everything would work out well and make Trump look good.

In either event, this was ab out distraction from impeachment and Trump is just flat out way too impulsive and compromised to remain President.
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um......... really not what I asked, but okay.
 
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Rifleman said:
The participation of some Kurds does not in any way absolve the Turks for planning and executing one of history's most horrific genocides, nor does it lessen Erdogan's culpability in any ethnic cleansing he may have planned or may be currently carrying out.
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Doesn't absolve the Kurds either, just sayin'. It was a poor example but I get the point you are making. We'll see if this operation is just as he says it is or if he goes way beyond that and turns it into genocide.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Even then I have to think there was a less abrupt way to manage it.
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Maybe? I don't know the conditions surrounding it other than our famous "sources" that are dubious at best.

But remember, the withdrawal was announced back in December, so I don't know if "abrupt" is the right term to use.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Maybe? I don't know the conditions surrounding it other than our famous "sources" that are dubious at best.

But remember, the withdrawal was announced back in December, so I don't know if "abrupt" is the right term to use.
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The intent to was, yes. The announcement that it was going to be tomorrow seems a bit sudden.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The intent to was, yes. The announcement that it was going to be tomorrow seems a bit sudden.
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It does make one wonder how much time was given on the phone call with Erdogen. Again, we were negotiating over this since early August according to the reports, but the Turks walked away. We couldn't come to an agreement and they went about this unilaterally.

Tough choices and I don't envy Trump for having to make the decision that was politically radioactive with his own party. Of course, Democrats were going to oppose whatever decision he made, so that's a wash.
 
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Grand Vol said:
It does make one wonder how much time was given on the phone call with Erdogen. Again, we were negotiating over this since early August according to the reports, but the Turks walked away. We couldn't come to an agreement and they went about this unilaterally.

Tough choices and I don't envy Trump for having to make the decision that was politically radioactive with his own party. Of course, Democrats were going to oppose whatever decision he made, so that's a wash.
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I haven't talked to one person I know that gives two sh!ts about Syria. Why any American politician would care if Trump pulled the plug on that piece of crap is beyond me.
 
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