Syrian Kurds are close to declaring Independence

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Grand Vol said:
Basically, you are saying Erdogan told Trump to remove our forces.

You cite two articles that don't connect those dots like you imply.

You have no proof.
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Today, President Donald J. Trump spoke with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey by telephone. Turkey will soon be moving forward with its long-planned operation into Northern Syria. The United States Armed Forces will not support or be involved in the operation, and United States forces, having defeated the ISIS territorial “Caliphate,” will no longer be in the immediate area.
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“Told” was definitely too strong. You can’t order the US president to do anything. That said, clearly he is doing this as a favor to Erdogan. His own press release makes that clear. If you don’t see that, you’re being willfully ignorant.
 
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tvolsfan said:
“Told” was definitely too strong. You can’t order the US president to do anything. That said, clearly he is doing this as a favor to Erdogan. His own press release makes that clear. If you don’t see that, you’re being willfully ignorant.
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Say with me "no good options."

Unless, of course, you think Trump should have threatened a NATO ally with war if they moved across the border.
 
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Septic said:
Its not a zero sum game. The dichotomy of either only defending our own borders while we leave a vaccum for ISIS to flourish and expecting to remain safe is naive.
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You think our presence in the ME makes us safer? That's naivete, IMO. It's precisely why we're targets
 
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n_huffhines said:
You think our presence in the ME makes us safer? That's naivete, IMO. It's precisely why we're targets
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Septic said:
Its not a zero sum game. The dichotomy of either only defending our own borders while we leave a vaccum for ISIS to flourish and expecting to remain safe is naive.
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Isolationism at its best. Unfortunately International Relations is a game. And those who refuse to play the game by taking their ball and going home let the other guy run the table.
 
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Question? Let’s say Erdogan told Trump Turkey was going in whether US troops were there or not, face it he staged his own coup so he’s arrogant enough. What should Trump do?

Put our soldiers at risk? Have our soldiers fight back with air strikes? What?
 
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carlos86 said:
Isolationism at its best. Unfortunately International Relations is a game. And those who refuse to play the game by taking their ball and going home let the other guy run the table.
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So because the other guy is going to get involved and " run the table" we should get involved as well? How about we fight one war at a time. Is that to much to ask?
 
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carlos86 said:
Isolationism at its best. Unfortunately International Relations is a game. And those who refuse to play the game by taking their ball and going home let the other guy run the table.
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Non-interventionism =/= isolationism

Being the world's police has not made us safer, it's had questionable results for the people we try to help, and it's bankrupting us. We fkn created ISIS. But at least we're "playing the game" I guess
 
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tvolsfan said:
Not abandon our Kurdish allies with no warning because Erdogan told me to.

I guess that wasn’t so hard.
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What does "not abandon them" mean? Continue to arm them? Continue to send advisors? Do we put our onw troops on the ground and fight side by side with them?
 
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n_huffhines said:
You think our presence in the ME makes us safer? That's naivete, IMO. It's precisely why we're targets
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I think the cat is out of the bag when it comes to a perpetual terror machine, radical islam can't be blown up or reasoned away. The west and other european infidels will be their targets whether we're there or not, I'd prefer to beat it back rather than to let it grow and fester unchecked. Sorry, I'm not relying on 'border protection' as was offered as solution. I've see TSA in action and my thoughts on a border wall are well known.

I "feel" safer knowing we have a strong defense and offense.
 
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Septic said:
I think the cat is out of the bag when it comes to a perpetual terror machine, radical islam can't be blown up or reasoned away. The west and other european infidels will be their targets whether we're there or not, I'd prefer to beat it back rather than to let it grow and fester unchecked. Sorry, I'm not relying on 'border protection' as was offered as solution. I've see TSA in action and my thoughts on a border wall are well known.

I "feel" safer knowing we have a strong defense and offense.
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Well, the good news is you'll get your wish. Congrats on endless war and state-sponsored baby killing.
 
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