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rjd970 said:
Are you even reading this thread? This is two different arguments together. We can argue the merits of Obama economic policies, he has his assumptions, you have yours, etc. Can we really argue Palin's claim here? And I guess what national security credentials the VP has isn't material to us anymore?
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didn't seem to matter for John Edwards
 
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rjd970 said:
Are you even reading this thread? This is two different arguments together. We can argue the merits of Obama economic policies, he has his assumptions, you have yours, etc. Can we really argue Palin's claim here? And I guess what national security credentials the VP has isn't material to us anymore?
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You have apparently missed VBH's point even though he has tried to make it about 5 times. Please try to keep up. This isn't about Obama's silly economics lie. It's about your double standard. It's one argument.

Her national security credentials are every bit as strong as Obama's and this little media generated tiff over seeing Alaska is just garbage. Pointing out that hers are limited doesn't change the fact that he has none either, unless you're telling me that his days as community organizer helped somehow.
 
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volinbham said:
Again, apply the same standard to Obama. He knows his facts don't add up but he continually repeats them on the trail and when questioned. Just because her argument is much weaker doesn't mean she doesn't see through it herself.

She's damned either way she goes so she's doing what most politicians do - stick to your story until you absolutely have to change it.
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The difference here is Palin came up with another justification during the Couric interview....Putin's flight plans, trade missions, etc. Palin is doing more than sticking with her story (as you claim Obama is doing), she is actively defending the undefensible.
 
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rjd970 said:
The difference here is Palin came up with another justification during the Couric interview....Putin's flight plans, trade missions, etc. Palin is doing more than sticking with her story (as you claim Obama is doing), she is actively defending the undefensible.
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so you don't think that the former director of the Soviet KGB, who is now strengthening his grip on Russia, isn't above a few shenanigans while flying over US airspace?
 
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rjd970 said:
The difference here is Palin came up with another justification during the Couric interview....Putin's flight plans, trade missions, etc. Palin is doing more than sticking with her story (as you claim Obama is doing), she is actively defending the undefensible.
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and his point is that Obama has continually done the same thing with his economic policy, it's just that the media hasn't appropriately eviscerated him for it.

You know, the tax policy thing just doesn't matter like her defending a lone comment about her credentials.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
You have apparently missed VBH's point even though he has tried to make it about 5 times. Please try to keep up. This isn't about Obama's silly economics lie. It's about your double standard. It's one argument.

Her national security credentials are every bit as strong as Obama's and this little media generated tiff over seeing Alaska is just garbage. Pointing out that hers are limited doesn't change the fact that he has none either, unless you're telling me that his days as community organizer helped somehow.
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The double standard is exactly what I am arguing. I am saying it isn't a double standard because we are talking about two different standards. VBH says Palin is doing the same thing as Obama, sticking to the talking her talking points because she knows she must be wrong. I am saying she has no clue she knows she is wrong and is actively trying to defend what she believes to be legitimate.

Do I need to explain it to you again?
 
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MG1968 said:
so you don't think that the former director of the Soviet KGB, who is now strengthening his grip on Russia, isn't above a few shenanigans while flying over US airspace?
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Pssst..... only if Palin is on the democratic ticket.

:eek:k:
 
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rjd970 said:
The double standard is exactly what I am arguing. I am saying it isn't a double standard because we are talking about two different standards. VBH says Palin is doing the same thing as Obama, sticking to the talking her talking points because she knows she must be wrong. I am saying she has no clue she knows she is wrong and is actively trying to defend what she believes to be legitimate.

Do I need to explain it to you again?
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Is this going to be like the heaven talk where you blame every one else.....

:blink:
 
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rjd970 said:
The double standard is exactly what I am arguing. I am saying it isn't a double standard because we are talking about two different standards. VBH says Palin is doing the same thing as Obama, sticking to the talking her talking points because she knows she must be wrong. I am saying she has no clue she knows she is wrong and is actively trying to defend what she believes to be legitimate.

Do I need to explain it to you again?
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nobody has tried to make such a stupid point ever, besides you, here.

VBH is also saying that Obama knows he is wrong and is sticking to his guns or is too stupid to know he's wrong so he's actively defending it. How on earth is that not the exact same thing you want to hammer Palin for?

Yes you need to explain again, because this one doesn't work and you made an entirely incorrect statement in the middle.
 
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Sarah Palin could crap on the floor, call it art and you guys would start bidding on it :thumbsup:
 
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MontereyVol said:
Sarah Palin could crap on the floor, call it art and you guys would start bidding on it :thumbsup:
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I don't think she drinks as much as Biden, so your premise is silly.

besides, the same can be said of the Obamassiah.
 
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See what you people fail to see with all the Palin stuff.... is......





































































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MontereyVol said:
Whats that got to do with anything? So if Biden puked on the floor and called it art you guys would bid on it. That wouldn't go in here.
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crapping on the floor is generally reserved for 1) babies, puppies and kittens. 2) drunks too hammered to find their way to the bathroom.

Biden obviously falls into the second category.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
nobody has tried to make such a stupid point ever, besides you, here.

VBH is also saying that Obama knows he is wrong and is sticking to his guns or is too stupid to know he's wrong so he's actively defending it. How on earth is that not the exact same thing you want to hammer Palin for?

Yes you need to explain again, because this one doesn't work and you made an entirely incorrect statement in the middle.
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For one, it is not what VBH is saying. He is saying Palin is no different than Obama because Obama knows he is wrong and is simply sticking to his talking points, and this is exactly what Palin is doing. Because you apparently can't follow the discussion and see what VBH actually said, let me remind you.....

VBH:
She's staying on message for political reasons just as Obama is. To say her version is an indication she's too dumb to know she's wrong would imply he too has to be too dumb to know he's wrong about his tax/spend plans. So they're either both dumb or both making political statements in the face of facts.
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I'm the one that said the difference is she is actually defending her idea with new justifications. Obama is saying the same thing over and over again, and morever, there actually could be a debate over assumptions or whatever with his economic policies. Me you and VBH had a lengthy debate over this in another thread. It would take about 2 minutes to dismiss Palin's ideas on national security credentials.

How many times would you like this explanation? Your little lame attempt at trying to make somebody else look stupid because you can't even follow the discussion is pathetic.
 
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rjd970 said:
For one, it is not what VBH is saying. He is saying Palin is no different than Obama because Obama knows he is wrong and is simply sticking to his talking points, and this is exactly what Palin is doing...



I'm the one that said the difference is she is actually defending her idea with new justifications. Obama is saying the same thing over and over again, and morever, there actually could be a debate over assumptions or whatever with his economic policies. Me you and VBH had a lengthy debate over this in another thread. It would take about 2 minutes to dismiss Palin's ideas on national security credentials.

How many times would you like this explanation?
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that's your freaking point. New justifications? That's just pathetic.

Are you trying to pretend that Obama hasn't had to change tack on his fantasyland economic drivel? There is no debate about whether the top 5% who would see higher taxes can fill the holes generated by his spending plan. Simple math refutes the plan, but he props it up with phantom cost savings elsewhere. The math of the pending deficit is what we were debating, not about whether his plan does what he says.

The bottom line is that he is doing exactly what Palin is doing, yet his is over something material, hers is over seeing Russia as a credential has merit.

I don't need this explanation again because it is senseless. If you have no other one, don't bother, unless you're doing the Obama and just sticking on senseless points even though you know better.

Damn, I can't believe I didn't see through this silliness the first 14 times you stuck to your point, even though you were dead freaking wrong. Well played.
 
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rjd970 said:
I'm the one that said the difference is she is actually defending her idea with new justifications. Obama is saying the same thing over and over again, and morever, there actually could be a debate over assumptions or whatever with his economic policies. Me you and VBH had a lengthy debate over this in another thread. It would take about 2 minutes to dismiss Palin's ideas on national security credentials.
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You are confusing the "merits" of his plan with whether or not his description of the plan's effects are accurate. They are not. Even the miraculous TPC analysis shows his plan doesn't pay for every dime. It's not an issue of is his plan good/bad or indifferent. It is a matter of him spinning his plan to create outcomes it simply will not create.

Now, the question is. Does he know full well his description isn't accurate or not? Does Palin know full well that her proximity to Russia is not foreign policy experience or not. Clearly I think they both know they are spinning tales to achieve a political goal. His is packaged better and more believable on the surface.
 
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did you read that rjd, or are you still missing the boat and trying to imply I'm having to make an effort and helping you appear silly?
 
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