Taliban Taking Over Afghanistan - Does anyone care?

[volinbham]

terrible wording if this is what the Pentagon said

WASHINGTON — The U.S. military has evacuated approximately 4,000 American passport holders along with their families from Afghanistan, a figure the Pentagon expects to increase as the U.S. wraps up its military operation in the country.

There are still several thousand Americans believed to be awaiting evacuation, according to the State Department.

 

[NorthDallas40]

first result on Google

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/us-has-evacuated-4000-american-citizens-and-their-families-out-of-afghanistan.html#:~:text=U.S. has evacuated 4,000 American citizens and their families out of Afghanistan

The White House said Tuesday that the U.S. has evacuated or helped to evacuate approximately 58,700 people from Afghanistan since Aug. 14, with about 21,600 of them airlifted out overnight on Monday. Since the end of July, the U.S. has relocated approximately 63,900 people.

 

[clarksvol00]

I’ll respond with this. The 70k number was reported as the total evacuated by ALL nations flying out. They were ripping the vegetable in chief on that right after he scurried off stage. This moron is taking credit for all evacuees to juice his own numbers.

I'm asking why a leaked cable is more trustworthy than an anonymous source.

@volinbham this should cover you too.

 

[NorthDallas40]

terrible wording if this is what the Pentagon said

WASHINGTON — The U.S. military has evacuated approximately 4,000 American passport holders along with their families from Afghanistan, a figure the Pentagon expects to increase as the U.S. wraps up its military operation in the country.

There are still several thousand Americans believed to be awaiting evacuation, according to the State Department.

terrible wording if this is what the Pentagon said

WASHINGTON — The U.S. military has evacuated approximately 4,000 American passport holders along with their families from Afghanistan, a figure the Pentagon expects to increase as the U.S. wraps up its military operation in the country.

There are still several thousand Americans believed to be awaiting evacuation, according to the State Department.

The WH is taking credit for other peoples efforts after abandoning them in the first place.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[NorthDallas40]

I'm asking why a leaked cable is more trustworthy than an anonymous source.

@volinbham this should cover you too.

He gave you a link to an article with a Pentagon statement. Grab another lance!

 

[volinbham]

I'm asking why a leaked cable is more trustworthy than an anonymous source.

@volinbham this should cover you too.

did you read the link?

 

[clarksvol00]

He gave you a link to an article with a Pentagon statement. Grab another lance!

I said in my original post I'm not disputing the accuracy of the comment, I'm asking why you give a leaked cable more credence than you give an anonymous source. The leaked cable can turn out to be accurate, just like an anonymous source can turn out to be accurate. This isn't a question specific to this scenario, its a general question. What makes the two different?

@volinbham

 

[volinbham]

more from a day or so ago confirming the #'s of Americans out - including Kirby confirming it with a statement of "several thousand".

Exclusive: More than 3,300 U.S. citizens evacuated from Afghanistan

 

[volinbham]

I said in my original post I'm not disputing the accuracy of the comment, I'm asking why you give a leaked cable more credence than you give an anonymous source. The leaked cable can turn out to be accurate, just like an anonymous source can turn out to be accurate. This isn't a question specific to this scenario, its a general question. What makes the two different?

@volinbham

because it is confirmed by govt spokespeople.

if the cable was fake you'd expect some push back and you certainly wouldn't see inferred confirmation from govt spokespeople

 

[Franklin Pierce]

I Watch the Desperate Afghans Wade In The Sewage As Hope Fades... and Tears Fall: Sky News' STUART RAMSAY, the TV reporter who's seen the Kabul chaos unfold first hand, pens a vivid and harrowing dispatch

They call them ‘Simba moments’. Many times a day, small children become accidentally separated from their parents in the chaos outside Hamid Karzai International Airport and the British paratroopers who find them will hold them high in the air, much like the newborn Simba was presented to his father’s subjects in Disney’s The Lion King.

Sometimes their panicking mothers and fathers will spot them, and these tiny figures will be passed back above the heads of the crowds for an emotional family reunion. But not all are so lucky.

All around you see harrowing, hand-made posters begging for information about missing sons and daughters who could be anywhere in the stinking, rubbish-strewn approach road which is still filled with thousands of people desperately hoping they might be allowed into the airport and on a flight to sanctuary.

Many times a day, small children become accidentally separated from their parents in the chaos outside Hamid Karzai International Airport and the British paratroopers who find them will hold them high in the air

Sky News' STUART RAMSAY paints a vivid and harrowing dispatch from Kabul to make you weep | Daily Mail Online

 

[Weezer]

I said in my original post I'm not disputing the accuracy of the comment, I'm asking why you give a leaked cable more credence than you give an anonymous source. The leaked cable can turn out to be accurate, just like an anonymous source can turn out to be accurate. This isn't a question specific to this scenario, its a general question. What makes the two different?

@volinbham

So you don't understand how an official document carries more gravitas than a potentially disgruntled person?

I'm actually kind of surprised you seem to be defending how Biden has fubared this operation. I guess I'd mistaken you for one of the more reasonable left leaning posters.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

I said in my original post I'm not disputing the accuracy of the comment, I'm asking why you give a leaked cable more credence than you give an anonymous source. The leaked cable can turn out to be accurate, just like an anonymous source can turn out to be accurate. This isn't a question specific to this scenario, its a general question. What makes the two different?

@volinbham

I'm just spit balling here but, a leaked cable to me would be someone on the inside with the knowledge of what's going down but an anonymous source "could be or might be" the drunk guy down in the alley spewing out non-secrets for street cred.

 

[volinbham]

I'm just spit balling here but, a leaked cable to me would be someone on the inside with the knowledge of what's going down but an anonymous source "could be or might be" the drunk guy down in the alley spewing out non-secrets.

yes generally written documents carry more weight than private verbal communication that is not recorded.

I guess the Pentagon Papers were equivalent to some staffer telling something to a reporter...

 

[clarksvol00]

So you don't understand how an official document carries more gravitas than a potentially disgruntled person?

I'm actually kind of surprised you seem to be defending how Biden has fubared this operation. I guess I'd mistaken you for one of the more reasonable left leaning posters.

I'm not defending anything. I'm asking why a leaked cable carries more weight than an anonymous source. I think Biden screwed this up royally and I've already said so. My question is a general one, not specific to this fact pattern.

@NorthDallas40 posted a tweet about a leaked cable, he didn't post a WH statement, he didn't post a DOD statement, he posted a statement by a guy who said someone had given him a document. @volinbham has posted a white house statement. None of that explains why you would, on a general basis, believe someone who says some nameless person leaked a document, but not someone who says an anonymous source told them something.

 

[clarksvol00]

I'm just spit balling here but, a leaked cable to me would be someone on the inside with the knowledge of what's going down but an anonymous source "could be or might be" the drunk guy down in the alley spewing out non-secrets for street cred.

A leaked cable might also be a fake doc provided by someone who could or might be the drunk guy down the alley.

At least you get the premise of the question.

Edit: I don't mean that to come across as an insult. I'm just having a hard time getting others to answer the question like you did.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I'm not defending anything. I'm asking why a leaked cable carries more weight than an anonymous source. I think Biden screwed this up royally and I've already said so. My question is a general one, not specific to this fact pattern.

@NorthDallas40 posted a tweet about a leaked cable, he didn't post a WH statement, he didn't post a DOD statement, he posted a statement by a guy who said someone had given him a document. @volinbham has posted a white house statement. None of that explains why you would, on a general basis, believe someone who says some nameless person leaked a document, but not someone who says an anonymous source told them something.

There had been various references to the 4k Americans all day. The WH is FOS on this one straight up

 

[volinbham]

I'm not defending anything. I'm asking why a leaked cable carries more weight than an anonymous source. I think Biden screwed this up royally and I've already said so. My question is a general one, not specific to this fact pattern.

@NorthDallas40 posted a tweet about a leaked cable, he didn't post a WH statement, he didn't post a DOD statement, he posted a statement by a guy who said someone had given him a document. @volinbham has posted a white house statement. None of that explains why you would, on a general basis, believe someone who says some nameless person leaked a document, but not someone who says an anonymous source told them something.

leaked documents could be faked I guess but they are tangible items that can be examined. who leaked it is generally irrelevant (doesn't have to have expertise on the matter). it's materially different than a reporter claiming he/she was told something by an unnamed person.

 

[AshG]

Pardon the interruption, but if you're ever feeling bad about yourself just remember that it took the US almost 20 years, trillions of dollars, thousands of lives, and four presidents to replace the Taliban with the Taliban.

 

[volinbham]

A leaked cable might also be a fake doc provided by someone who could or might be the drunk guy down the alley.

At least you get the premise of the question.

when the content of the cable is consistent with what has been officially said and there is no pushback that it is fake why wouldn't you consider it as real.

 

[clarksvol00]

There had been various references to the 4k Americans all day. The WH is FOS on this one straight up

See @volinbham answer he's actually moving to the premise of the question.

 

[clarksvol00]

when the content of the cable is consistent with what has been officially said and there is no pushback that it is fake why wouldn't you consider it as real.

I never said I don't consider this particular leaked cable to be accurate. There can be anonymous sources that eventually get verified as well.

 

[NorthDallas40]

See @volinbham answer he's actually moving to the premise of the question.

I knew what you were saying I just comfortable posting it as there were all kinds of references confirming numbers like that that was just the most detailed

Off to Gears 5 now

 

[clarksvol00]

leaked documents could be faked I guess but they are tangible items that can be examined. who leaked it is generally irrelevant (doesn't have to have expertise on the matter). it's materially different than a reporter claiming he/she was told something by an unnamed person.

I guess if I hand you some paper documents you might be able to tell what kind of copier I used.

 

[clarksvol00]

I knew what you were saying I just comfortable posting it as there were all kinds of references confirming numbers like that that was just the most detailed

Off to Gears 5 now

If you knew what I was saying, you were also comfortable refusing to answer.

Edit: what is Gears 5 BTW?