Taliban Taking Over Afghanistan - Does anyone care?

[AM64]

I think you are being overly harsh in this case. These are young women and girls that have been beaten into submission their entire lives. The men there think nothing of burying them up to their necks and bashing their brains out with rocks. They can be legitimately raped and if they are subsequently ACCUSED by a single male they can be killed. Honor killings. Never seem to happen to men in the region. Always to defenseless women and girls. I guess when you are butt ****ed over and over by thugs and animals as a young boy it subsequently turns you into a jackal yourself and life loses any meaning.

Biden is abandoning allies. He is abandoning Afghans and their families who have helped us for 2 decades and they are supposed to 'fight for what they believe'? What the hell do you think they have been doing all this time? They are going to be wholesale murdered by these pigs. Joe Biden is a feckless piece of **** who should have been out of DC decades ago. So thanks a lot Delaware you bunch of douchebags.

This whole thing breaks my heart. I thought our country was better than this.

I agree completely with all that especially the bolded, but what does it take for them to finally get mean plumb, mad-dog mean? People eventually have to choose not to be victims, or it will never change.

Our time in the ME is something that's happened mostly in my retirement years, so I have no first hand knowledge of events or of the people, but it would take some effort to convince me that the contractors involved in nation building were there for the job and to make a change rather than to collect real fat contracts. Our country may be better, and our aim may be better, but did our effort really match the need, or was it money play between contractors and congress. Was it more about generating wealth - inside and outside government, than making a difference.

 

[volinbham]

Under the current VN anonymous source rules, yes, you are correct.

JFC - is this some stupid hypocrisy gotcha for posters on VN? Thanks for wasting my time.

 

[clarksvol00]

one more try then I'm out. The recipient of the document knows the source of the leaked document. They bear the responsibility to validate. Sure, a bogus document can get through but the news org faces considerable risk by not doing their due diligence on the document. Once it passes their muster and they take it public the document becomes the source and who delivered it is largely irrelevant. It is no longer information generated by an anonymous source, it is a known source in the form of emails or memos or reports or whatever.

Unless the government says, "yes, this document is real," or you can independently verify the document, you're relying on the anonymous source to validate the document... just like any other statement from an anonymous source.

 

[clarksvol00]

JFC - is this some stupid hypocrisy gotcha for posters on VN? Thanks for wasting my time.

You've wasted your own time. I didn't make you respond to me.

 

[Jxn Vol]

It’s quite entertaining watching the Biden voters twist themselves into pretzels grasping at anything to minimize this debacle. Carry on.

 

[volinbham]

You've wasted your own time. I didn't make you respond to me.

My mistake for thinking you were sincere about the question and not wrapping it in some larger beef you have with some posters on the board.

Lesson learned.

 

[AM64]

first result on Google

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/us-has-evacuated-4000-american-citizens-and-their-families-out-of-afghanistan.html#:~:text=U.S. has evacuated 4,000 American citizens and their families out of Afghanistan

Wonder if this means Mexicans are out and Afghans are in at Ft Bliss.

 

[clarksvol00]

My mistake for thinking you were sincere about the question and not wrapping it in some larger beef you have with some posters on the board.

Lesson learned.

Should it matter? I think my argument still has merit.

 

[clarksvol00]

It’s quite entertaining watching the Biden voters twist themselves into pretzels grasping at anything to minimize this debacle. Carry on.

You want to @ anybody?

 

[Jxn Vol]

You want to @ anybody?

I made it pretty clear

 

[clarksvol00]

I made it pretty clear

Want to say who?

Edit: seriously if you think I'm defending Biden in this, I've said he screwed it up at least twice. If you're not, I apologize for the incorrect assumption

 

[Jxn Vol]

Want to say who?

I am not having to at this point.

 

[clarksvol00]

I am not having to at this point.

See my reply if you don't have the balls to call anybody out by name.

 

[Jxn Vol]

See my reply if you don't have the balls.

Waffle House?

 

[clarksvol00]

Waffle House?

I'll be there and you know it. Don't forget to order me a ham and cheese omelet.

 

[Jxn Vol]

I'll be there and you know it. Don't forget to order me a ham and cheese omelet.

Figured you would want a pretzel.
bring it on big boy.

 

[volfanhill]

I'll be there and you know it. Don't forget to order me a ham and cheese omelet.

That's your order? Terrible.

 

[Vol737]

That's your order? Terrible.

Agreed. Amateur. A seasoned pro goes All Star Special with some scattered, smothered and covered.

 

[Jxn Vol]

That's your order? Terrible.

I’m a steak and eggs guy with my brows scattered smothered and covered.

 

[clarksvol00]

That's your order? Terrible.

I also get hashbrowns scattered, smothered, chucked, and peppered, but I'm not sure @Jxn Vol could handle that.

 

[AM64]

Unless the government says, "yes, this document is real," or you can independently verify the document, you're relying on the anonymous source to validate the document... just like any other statement from an anonymous source.

To a great extent don't you think that this is mistrust in a press that has been disingenuous - that their superficiality and sensationalism rather than hard honest investigative effort is paying negative dividends? Part 2 is the government and "announcements" that are either completely dishonest or are carefully worded to show that official efforts were more than or less than the true account. For example, the whole Trump/Russia investigations and impeachment; I'd consider it all a lie because it cloaked dishonesty and systemic abuse from one end to the other - how can you trust any of it?

 

[clarksvol00]

Figured you would want a pretzel.
bring it on big boy.

We both know WH doesn't serve pretzels, just like we both know I'm arguing about leaked cables, not Biden.

 

[NorthDallas40]

one more try then I'm out. The recipient of the document knows the source of the leaked document. They bear the responsibility to validate. Sure, a bogus document can get through but the news org faces considerable risk by not doing their due diligence on the document. Once it passes their muster and they take it public the document becomes the source and who delivered it is largely irrelevant. It is no longer information generated by an anonymous source, it is a known source in the form of emails or memos or reports or whatever.

I get it. Once a document is produced there is not full anonymity as if the document is found to be fake then the news reporting it has literally reported fake news. While the source of the document is anonymous you now have a hard piece of information that can be refuted or validated. Does that make sense @clarksvol00 ?

 

[clarksvol00]

I get it. Once a document is produced there is not full anonymity as if the document is found to be fake then the news reporting it has literally reported fake news. While the source of the document is anonymous you now have a hard piece of information that can be refuted or validated. Does that make sense @clarksvol00 ?

It does when you have something to prove up the provenance of the doc other than the anonymous source.

 

[Jxn Vol]

I also get hashbrowns scattered, smothered, chucked, and peppered, but I'm not sure @Jxn Vol could handle that.

With some hot sauce and I will call it an appetizer