Taliban Taking Over Afghanistan - Does anyone care?

[VolStrom]

Any aircraft we build today has a finite fatigue life. It’s driven largely by fuselage pressurization/depressurization cycles. Take an airplane like the DC-3 and it can have near infinite life as long as you don’t bend the bird.

I still see KC-135's flying out of McGhee Tyson airport every day. I think they were built in the 50's and based on the 707 airframe. Hopefully the next gen of planes isn't carbon fiber because I don't expect them to last very long (787 take note).

 

[TNVOLNAVY]

Are any of you guys believing this drone strike and ISIS-K nonsense?

Nope.

 

[Boston Vol]

Lol, of course

 

[AM64]

" A planner" That's a new term I don't recall hearing before.
JV ranking I suppose.

Offensive coordinator scheming new plays.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I still see KC-135's flying out of McGhee Tyson airport every day. I think they were built in the 50's and based on the 707 airframe. Hopefully the next gen of planes isn't carbon fiber because I don't expect them to last very long (787 take note).

They have gone thru a couple of Service Life Enhancement Programs, or they’ve been SLEP’d, over their time which addresses fatigue also. If you don’t address fatigue the airframe will fail.

Think about it. Say you have a measly 2PSI pressure differential so your people can breathe. Spread out over the entire pressurized cavity of the fuselage and it’s thousands if not tens of thousands of pounds of force.

 

[lawgator1]

How would Trump have the same advisors? Certainly there are positions in the government that stay the same between administrations, but I’ve always had the impression that advisors that regularly brief the president were appointed by that president (or the president made the conscious decision to keep a holdover from the previous administration).

Given that his had Trump invite the Taliban to Camp David to negotiate our leaving Afghanistan in the first place what on Earth makes you think he'd have done things any differently ?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Lol, of course

They most likely don’t know who they are.

 

[StarRaider]

Lol, of course

They don't want the new york times to call them "austere religious scholars".

 

[AM64]

Morale went to **** in 93.

It was crap in the early 70s, too. The early 90s would have been about the time that the changes made by Viet Nam era captains and majors had peaked and the new rank and file didn't adhere to the lessons learned. It's a shame we have to repeatedly relearn the same stuff over and over again ... like deja vu all over again.

 

[BreatheUT]

LOL. You crazy lib. Trump would not have had the same people as lunatic Biden. There wouldn't have been any personnel with that loony false "wokeism" in Trump's situation room giving advice. The advisors that Biden appoints are trying too hard in finding all that made-up "white supremacy" that's suppose to have worked itself into the ranks. Biden is insane as POTUS.

Biden is merely a figurehead. That's not how our government is supposed to be designed. He doesn't really know what's going on.

 

[Orangeburst]

They have gone thru a couple of Service Life Enhancement Programs, or they’ve been SLEP’d, over their time which addresses fatigue also. If you don’t address fatigue the airframe will fail.

Think about it. Say you have a measly 2PSI pressure differential so your people can breathe. Spread out over the entire pressurized cavity of the fuselage and it’s thousands if not tens of thousands of pounds of force.

Does the 2 psia delta include surgical masks?

 

[Electric Orange]

 

[VolStrom]

They have gone thru a couple of Service Life Enhancement Programs, or they’ve been SLEP’d, over their time which addresses fatigue also. If you don’t address fatigue the airframe will fail.

Think about it. Say you have a measly 2PSI pressure differential so your people can breathe. Spread out over the entire pressurized cavity of the fuselage and it’s thousands if not tens of thousands of pounds of force.

Oh, I know what you're saying. It's why the Hawaiian airlines 737 that had a million take off and landings blew apart 30 years or so ago. My point is, planes can fly a long time with proper maintenance and the cost of paying our defense contractors to design a new plane is astronomical for very little in innovation (like the new refueling planes based on the 767).

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Any aircraft we build today has a finite fatigue life. It’s driven largely by fuselage pressurization/depressurization cycles. Take an airplane like the DC-3 and it can have near infinite life as long as you don’t bend the bird.

Understandable.

I'm just wondering if what I have been hearing lately is true or not. The reason why we are having to rely on commercial aircrafts and allies and what not to assist with the evacuations is because we have an enormous maintenance backlog with our fleet.

If I had to bet, I would bet that our military does about the same as private industry in this country. Spend money up front on capital, but then skimp and penny-pinch on maintenance. Run to failure as much a possible.

 

[Orangeburst]

Kirby and Psaki crap. All crap I tell ya.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Kirby and Psaki crap. All crap I tell ya.

It cannot be stated enough. But had Trump behaved like that with this media...

 

[Orangeburst]

Understandable.

I'm just wondering if what I have been hearing lately is true or not. The reason why we are having to rely on commercial aircrafts and allies and what not to assist with the evacuations is because we have an enormous maintenance backlog with our fleet.

If I had to bet, I would bet that our military does about the same as private industry in this country. Spend money up front on capital, but then skimp and penny-pinch on maintenance. Run to failure as much a possible.

You can bet your left nut that is what happened under Obama and a consequence of sequestration. Trump addressed it.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Understandable.

I'm just wondering if what I have been hearing lately is true or not. The reason why we are having to rely on commercial aircrafts and allies and what not to assist with the evacuations is because we have an enormous maintenance backlog with our fleet.

If I had to bet, I would bet that our military does about the same as private industry in this country. Spend money up front on capital, but then skimp and penny-pinch on maintenance. Run to failure as much a possible.

So no the airlines get monetary compensation or consideration to have a certain number of their aircraft in the reserve fleet for just a case like this. We still have to supply and support our military all around the world a frankly a civilian airliner is configured better for carrying large numbers of people over a palletized cargo deck configuration that’s all.

 

[VolStrom]

So no the airlines get monetary compensation or consideration to have a certain number of their aircraft in the reserve fleet for just a case like this. We still have to supply and support our military all around the world a frankly a civilian airliner is configured better for carrying large numbers of people over a palletized cargo deck configuration that’s all.

IDK, having 700+ people on the cargo deck of a C-17 has to be a new record for number of people carried on a plane at one time. The wait for the toilet must have been long though.

 

[AM64]

He. Is. The. Commander. In. Chief!

He is responsible for all outcomes and actions taken.

That's where the FF made a mistake. George Washington led an army before becoming president, but precedents like that have died by the wayside. These days politicians become presidents and have no military background at all - nothing, nada, zip. They haven't been there or done that, and then they are the supreme commander without even what a private fresh out of basic training has picked up. Yes, civilian control of the military is a great concept, but it's a problem when the guy pulling the strings is clueless. We need a revision where the president can commit resources, but has no direct operational control. LBJ and McNamara and their tactical idiocy should have made that point perfectly clear.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So no the airlines get monetary compensation or consideration to have a certain number of their aircraft in the reserve fleet for just a case like this. We still have to supply and support our military all around the world a frankly a civilian airliner is configured better for carrying large numbers of people over a palletized cargo deck configuration that’s all.

Not just people, I'm talking about all the weapons and stacks of cash, also.

 

[AM64]

The “associates” status in the drone strike has been upgraded to the same “planner and facilitator” with a third person wounded. Still no names if the casualties.

Somebody intercepted cell phone traffic, heard clear communication related to Thursday or future terrorist attacks, triangulated the cell phone location, and called in an OGA drone and killed them. Probably without positive ID on whoever was in the vehicle. They are probably trying to ID them now. If they aren’t anybody of importance this strike will quickly just become another footnote.

You know, at this point we could just target Humvees, but at this point want does it matter. Revenge is what put us in Afghanistan for 20 years in the first place.

 

[AM64]

Post of the year. The trouble is too many people have developed a taste for the manure they are being fed even if much of it is a lie and will blindly support a party or candidate who isn’t worthy of the position.

Can't do it even though it makes sense. Believing independents can win is no different than believing that a football team outside a very small select group is going to win the NC.

 

[NorthDallas40]

IDK, having 700+ people on the cargo deck of a C-17 has to be a new record for number of people carried on a plane at one time. The wait for the toilet must have been long though.

Yeah that was completely unplanned and heat of the moment. Had that plane even had a hard landing or in flight severe turbulence a lot of people would have gotten hurt. Granted they would have gotten treatment in Qatar or somewhere like that outside of Afghanistan but I don’t think that will be the goto example.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Not just people, I'm talking about all the weapons and stacks of cash, also.

Ah ok.