Taliban Taking Over Afghanistan - Does anyone care?

[BreatheUT]

[QUOTE="volfanhill, post: 20124979, member: 39626"]It blows my mind that there are people who are still defending this. Blaming Trump. Pretending like this was inevitable. That's all bullshat. We could have left and not screwed the exit up. Jesus people. Hell even Trumps message about this made more sense then what we did. And it sounded like common sense. You get the military out last. Shocker.[/QUOTE]

There is no reaching these people. If nothing else, this event exposed that.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Can you even imagine ?

Given the attachment I share with my canine family. . . Yeah, I can. I don't even want to imagine what fate she faces if caught, though.

 

[AM64]

if someone won't leave because they have a job they won't leave then they are making a choice to stay - my point was that people are being characterized as not wanting to leave when the reality was they were trying figure out the safest way to leave (eg. risk going to airport; or significant distances from Kabul).

That's another point, this evacuation is not an isolated historical event. There have been many other evacuations with all the same elements. There are scores of books about people trying to flee warzones, political takeovers, natural disasters, terrorists, ... There are plenty of movies - some sensational, but some very honest accounts about people trying to get to safety and to extrication points. It should not take genius to know evacuation and particularly a botched strategy was going to end poorly.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

 

[AM64]

The truly pathetic part of this is that none of the Joint Chiefs had the balls to stand up to Biden and threaten to resign.

And leave important stuff like ridding the services of undesirable elements and guiding the path to a kinder, gentler, more diverse military? You are missing the big point here, hog. This was just a sideshow; there are important things to be done, and every corporates and military CEO knows down deep he is uniquely qualified.

 

[AM64]

At some point a deadline has to be a deadline and you can’t wait forever on those that may have more interests in personal or financial gain than self preservation, that being said ... this was way hasty and unbelievably poorly executed and the feelers that should have been sent out weren’t according to so many. The warnings and feelers that should have been apparent to those still in country may not be known to us for a very long time (if ever), but you gotta go sometime if you say you’re going. The execution is a sh!tshow of epic proportions though, no doubt about that. Who in their right mind gives up the stronghold of Bagram air base and its multiple runways which we held without much of a whisper of resistance for 20 years and the Soviets held for 17 years before that for the unsecured one runway at Kabul ? What a military dumpster fire of a decision ! It’s an unbelievably stupid mistake that no one can seem to answer for.

Nah, it's completely understandable. All the important people live in cities ... the bigger the place, the more important the people. That's why dems are particularly interest in insuring the big city votes overwhelm the rest of this country.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

As tactically unsound as this withdrawal was, it really makes you question the military minds we have in charge. Nothing about how this was handled makes sense to me. And I'm not claiming to be some kind of military genius, but I don't think it takes a genius to see how truly and epically this was screwed up.

It was almost like it was done it the most disruptive way possible. Interesting...

That's why I am not in the camp that thinks this would have been any different had Trump been in there. I think the same yahoos and advisors (or advisors cut from the same cloth) would have given Trump equally as bad information and execution.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The other problem is that this began with a deadline, possibly incomplete objectives, and certainly wrong priorities with respect to which people leave when. It should have been undertaken with a target date, more comprehensive objectives, and clear and reasoned status on who leaves with respect to other groups. However, there should have been flexibility to adapt to changing conditions, and the ground commander should have been the one to state the objectives have been met and the evacuation is complete. Anybody who has dealt with complex issues particularly when things are changing and include unknown variables should know that hard and fast decisions - especially deadlines by people not on the scene - is a recipe for failure.

May 1st, 2021 was the original target date.

 

[AM64]

Note to China: Kiss my azz. Pay covid reparations to the world. Screw you and the donkey you rode in on. And for good measure, go home and self immolate ... the whole damn country.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Here’s my thought. I think all you mother******s that voted for this chit should be traded. For every Afghan refugee one democrat should be relocated into Afghanistan to be dictated. After all, that’s what you want right? All we’re doing is trading one “vote” for another but at least you guys get to live your dream

 

[AM64]

I've hit my Reuters limit so here's a recap from The Hill

“I need not tell you the perception around the world and in parts of Afghanistan, I believe, is that things are not going well in terms of the fight against the Taliban,” Biden said, according to the wire service.

“And there is a need, whether it is true or not, there is a need to project a different picture,” he added.

Biden suggested a solution to the issue would be having Afghanistan’s top political figures hold a press conference together that endorses a new military strategy.


“That will change perception, and that will change an awful lot I think,” the American president said.

It's not in the Hill piece but the Reuters article details Ghani telling how the Taliban was advancing and getting both logistical support and foreign fighters out of Afghanistan.

This was July 23rd.

Biden lauded Afghan military in last call with Ghani, discussed 'perception' problem: report

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[Rasputin_Vol]

 

[turdherder11]

Biden voters with a lick of sense...

 

[AM64]

It's gonna be ok, it was an illegal entry into a country and the neo-marxists are fine with that.

Besides it at least temporarily gives dems better odds when voting.

 

[headhunter15]

 

[landscapingvol]

How can the military ever defeat its true enemy, global warming and white supremacy, if it dwells on petty things like unnecessary deaths in a needless war?

 

[AirVol]

I’d like to see the transcript of the phone call to Ghani from Xiden.

 

[VolinWayne]

Exclusive: In secret texts, U.S. military officials lamented leaving Americans behind in Kabul

 

[lawgator1]

Exclusive: In secret texts, U.S. military officials lamented leaving Americans behind in Kabul

Newsflash:

It's not a secret.

 

[AirVol]

Exclusive: In secret texts, U.S. military officials lamented leaving Americans behind in Kabul

Registered Republicans?

 

[lawgator1]

The names are secret? I see then on the news all the time.

 

[KB5252]

Newsflash:

It's not a secret.

The names are secret? I see then on the news all the time.

There are symbolic gestures done by Congress all the time. I seem to remember some very prominent Congress men and women put on some traditional African attire and kneel for a staged photo op, I guess they didn't know they chose the traditional garments of a slave trading tribe though.

Point is it's a simple gesture.

 

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Thanks you, ya nerd!

 

[landscapingvol]

Newsflash:

It's not a secret.

"Anyone that wants to get out, can get out". That was just old Joe and the State Department being folksy again, he didn't really mean it.

 

[ETV]

I have a feeling there are going to be many Col. V's on this situation.

Theres been one LTC who criticized this admin and his superiors. He was promptly relieved.