Taliban Taking Over Afghanistan - Does anyone care?

[ClearwaterVol]

okay, you are an American citizen with an Afghan family that State hasn't cleared to leave. Do you leave your family behind or do you stay and keep trying to get clearance for your family to join you so you all can leave.

If that were the case I'd have been at the airport with my family.

 

[volinbham]

If that were the case I'd have been at the airport with my family.

and many were who could not get through

there are stories of people trying to get there and being beaten by the Taliban

there are ones that got there and were told by the US to leave.

there are ones that got there and the gates were closed

it's not as simple as "just go to the airport moron"

 

[rjd970]

and many were who could not get through

How many of the ~200 left was this the case for?

 

[volinbham]

How many of the ~200 left was this the case for?

how many is the right number?

I've heard multiple stories from reporters and from groups (non-gov) trying to get people out that are people in line at the airport that can't get through the gates.

you are making an argument that some responsibility lies with those left behind, Clearwater is calling them all morons.

I'm pointing out that the "morons" label is not reflective of reality

 

[BreatheUT]

I also question the continual "ISIS-K is the mortal enemy of the Taliban" rhetoric like they are 2 completely different entities that never cooperate. Didn't the Taliban release a bunch of ISIS-K that were imprisoned at Bagram? Seems if you have a chance to disappear some of the worst of the worst of your mortal enemy you take advantage rather than turn them loose.

Lara Logan explained this. They go between multiple terrorist groups. They are all terrorists that fight each other but hate the infidels. Elitists tend to be more terrified so they think placating and playing nice will do the trick which put everyone at jeopardy when they are in charge. Conservatives tend to call them what they are.

 

[volinbham]

Lara Logan explained this. They go between multiple terrorist groups. They are all terrorists that fight each other but hate the infidels. Elitists tend to be more terrified so they think placating and playing nice will do the trick which put everyone at jeopardy when they are in charge. Conservatives tend to call them what they are.

Just seemed to me a way for the administration to make the Taliban look like they're borderline allies to us. More spinning the situation than accurately representing it.

In every speech or press conference they used those terms "sworn" enemy or "mortal" enemy.

 

[BreatheUT]

Just seemed to me a way for the administration to make the Taliban look like they're borderline allies to us. More spinning the situation than accurately representing it.

In every speech or press conference they used those terms "sworn" enemy or "mortal" enemy.

Which is also interesting since there is still an Afghan force fighting the Taliban in pockets. These people in the administration are numbskulls.

 

[volinbham]

A few pages back we were told by LG that the vast, vast # of Afghans that got out were the ones who helped us. Looks like we missed a few.

Majority of Interpreters, Other U.S. Visa Applicants Were Left Behind in Afghanistan

WASHINGTON—The U.S. left behind the majority of Afghan interpreters and others who applied for visas to flee Afghanistan, a senior State Department official said on Tuesday, despite frantic efforts to evacuate those at risk of Taliban retribution in the final weeks of the airlift.

In the early days of the evacuation effort, thousands of Afghans crowded Kabul’s airport seeking a way to flee the country. Some made it through without paperwork, while American citizens and visa applicants were unable to enter.

The U.S. still doesn’t have reliable data on who was evacuated, nor for what type of visas they may qualify, the official said, but initial assessments suggested most visa applicants didn’t make it through the crush at the airport.
“I would say it’s the majority of them,” the official said. “Just based on anecdotal information about the populations we were able to support.”

 

[rjd970]

how many is the right number?

I've heard multiple stories from reporters and from groups (non-gov) trying to get people out that are people in line at the airport that can't get through the gates.

you are making an argument that some responsibility lies with those left behind, Clearwater is calling them all morons.

I'm pointing out that the "morons" label is not reflective of reality

I was asking how many were staying behind voluntarily because their family couldn’t get cleared.

If there were individuals at the gate waiving American passports and were turned away or not let in, that is a problem. My first question would be what was done different by them than the others that made it through.

 

[volinbham]

I was asking how many were staying behind voluntarily because their family couldn’t get cleared.

If there were individuals at the gate waiving American passports and were turned away or not let in, that is a problem. My first question would be what was done different by them than the others that made it through.

to your first question - I don't know the number but let's say 50 of the 200. Are those 50 morons as CWV claims. All I'm doing is dispelling the myth that you are a moron if you didn't get out when "you had the chance". Some didn't really have the chance so blaming them or belittling them is callous.

For the second question see the article I just posted from WSJ - looks like the early rush wasn't vetted and the bulk of people who got through (were let through?) were not the priority people including citizens.

if you recall then we had intermittent gate closings and advice to not come to the airport.

 

[BreatheUT]

Where are the leak of the Biden transcripts that proves they have been lying?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Ok - but at the end of the day we all agree he is the one in charge, no?

I’ll agree he’s the face of whomever is in charge that’s about it

 

[volinbham]

Where are the leak of the Biden transcripts that proves they have been lying?

I don't think they prove he's lying per se - just that he had indications things weren't as rosy as being presented that the optics needed to match the message even if in conflict with reality

 

[theFallGuy]

to your first question - I don't know the number but let's say 50 of the 200. Are those 50 morons as CWV claims. All I'm doing is dispelling the myth that you are a moron if you didn't get out when "you had the chance". Some didn't really have the chance so blaming them or belittling them is callous.

For the second question see the article I just posted from WSJ - looks like the early rush wasn't vetted and the bulk of people who got through (were let through?) were not the priority people including citizens.

if you recall then we had intermittent gate closings and advice to not come to the airport.

the scary part is how do we know we didn't just voluntarily relocate some hiding terrorists.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

They were morons for staying anywhere close to the date upon which the US forces were leaving.

The President of the United States told them there was nothing to worry about. Are they morons for listening to him?

 

[theFallGuy]

WSJ News Exclusive | Afghan Interpreter Who Helped Rescue Biden in 2008 Left Behind After U.S. Exit

 

[hog88]

And his detractors seem to want the opposite - all blame and no credit.

The last American soldier has left Afghanistan. That is something universally agreed upon in this thread as good. It happened under his watch.

How it happened leaves a lot to be desired but he actually pulled the trigger and got it done. I’m not really sure how you even argue that.

I’m calling him (Biden) out for his deflecting all blame but taking the credit. He deserves credit for following through on the withdrawal and all of the blame for how badly it was handled.

 

[rjd970]

I’m calling him (Biden) out for his deflecting all blame but taking the credit. He deserves credit for following through on the withdrawal and all of the blame for how badly it was handled.

Agreed.

 

[landscapingvol]

Your quote is wrong.

On purpose.

And efforts continue with assistance of allies and even the Taliban to some extent.

Don't change the facts to weave a new, false narrative.

I agree. The Taliban was air lifting a stranded refugee around the city a couple of days ago. They even extended a rope down to him to prevent the spread of Covid!!

 

[hog88]

If you don’t believe he is in charge, then why are you blaming him for the bungled withdrawal? If you answer because he is President, then I don’t know how you don’t say he gets credit for making the decision to leave.

I’m not following why you can have it
both ways.

He gets blame because he is President, but for any credit, he wasn’t really the one in charge?

Why do you keep ignoring the fact Biden himself said he had no choice.

 

[BreatheUT]

Siap


Exclusive: Before Afghan collapse, Biden pressed Ghani to ‘change perception’


WASHINGTON, Aug 31 (Reuters) - In the last call between U.S. President Joe Biden and his Afghanistan counterpart before the Taliban seized control of the country, the leaders discussed military aid, political strategy and messaging tactics, but neither Biden nor Ashraf Ghani appeared aware of or prepared for the immediate danger of the entire country falling to insurgents, a transcript reviewed by Reuters shows.


Exclusive: Before Afghan collapse, Biden pressed Ghani to ‘change perception’

 

[lostsheep]

The President of the United States told them there was nothing to worry about. Are they morons for listening to him?

Similar to how trump told his cult there was nothing to worry about with covid and, yes, they are morons for listening to him.

 

[BreatheUT]

I don't think they prove he's lying per se - just that he had indications things weren't as rosy as being presented that the optics needed to match the message even if in conflict with reality

Which means he was lying about his confidence in the 300K Afghani solider comment.

 

[615vols]

Similar to how trump told his cult there was nothing to worry about with covid and, yes, they are morons for listening to him.

“But Trump”

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

This sickening if this happened.