Taliban Taking Over Afghanistan - Does anyone care?

Do you care?

  • No

    Votes: 40 23.4%

  • Hell No

    Votes: 47 27.5%

  • Yes, we should invade and send in Troops

    Votes: 25 14.6%

  • I like Pie

    Votes: 59 34.5%
  • Total voters
    171
#7,926
#7,926
rjd970 said:
It’s what the country wants, sadly. It’s not our place to decide for them. I genuinely feel for anybody that feels trapped and I know it’s easy to say from my seat, but if change is what’s needed it will have to happen from within. At the end of the day though, it’s seems sharia law and an Islamic republic is what they want. Just keep it there, and if an attack is launched from there again we take the gloves off when we strike back.
Click to expand...
It isn’t what “the country” wants it’s what an oppressive authoritarian regime wants and will use violence to get what they want. But yes if the rest of the country isn’t willing to fight them it isn’t our place to fight as proxy for them. We already have seen they aren’t willing to fight to keep their freedom so F em.
 
  • Like
Reactions: marcusluvsvols and dovervolz
#7,927
#7,927
NorthDallas40 said:
It isn’t what “the country” wants it’s what an oppressive authoritarian regime wants and will use violence to get what they want. But yes if the rest of the country isn’t willing to fight them it isn’t our place to fight as proxy for them. We already have seen they aren’t willing to fight to keep their freedom so F em.
Click to expand...

You can probably help a country fight an invading force, but we should have accumulated the wisdom to know by now that you can't fix civil wars or insurgencies within a county. The side that wants it most will win, and we seem to always back the side least willing to work for it. I get helping the underdog, but the underdog doesn't win those, and it simply creates more victims in the long run.
 
  • Like
Reactions: marcusluvsvols, StarRaider and NorthDallas40
#7,929
#7,929
AM64 said:
You can probably help a country fight an invading force, but we should have accumulated the wisdom to know by now that you can't fix civil wars or insurgencies within a county. The side that wants it most will win, and we seem to always back the side least willing to work for it. I get helping the underdog, but the underdog doesn't win those, and it simply creates more victims in the long run.
Click to expand...
I really don’t have any sympathy for the average Afghan that isn’t willing to fight for their freedoms. @rjd970 isnt really wrong on his assertion that the population as a whole is willing to accept their fate. Because if they aren’t willing to fight to keep the freedoms that we wasted so much blood and treasure on in giving them then they are complicit in the outcome.
 
  • Like
Reactions: USAFgolferVol, marcusluvsvols and AM64
#7,930
#7,930
Carl Pickens said:
Why don’t you provide a few examples of something that was done right?
Click to expand...

120,000 people evacuated over a 12 month period and closure of every FOB outside of Kabul without a single life lost.

The last 3 weeks and the Americans killed were bungled to no end and that is on the administration. But the narrative that the whole thing was bungled is patently false. Until the very end which was going to be messy anyway, it was done in a very methodical and orderly fashion.
 
#7,931
#7,931
rjd970 said:
120,000 people evacuated over a 12 month period and closure of every FOB outside of Kabul without a single life lost.

The last 3 weeks and the Americans killed were bungled to no end and that is on the administration. But the narrative that the whole thing was bungled is patently false. Until the very end which was going to be messy anyway, it was done in a very methodical and orderly fashion.
Click to expand...
What ever you're smoking, you need to pass it around. Cause it must be some good 💩 to come up with this crap.
 
  • Like
Reactions: StarRaider, marcusluvsvols, hog88 and 1 other person
#7,932
#7,932
rjd970 said:
120,000 people evacuated over a 12 month period and closure of every FOB outside of Kabul without a single life lost.

The last 3 weeks and the Americans killed were bungled to no end and that is on the administration. But the narrative that the whole thing was bungled is patently false. Until the very end which was going to be messy anyway, it was done in a very methodical and orderly fashion.
Click to expand...
CTE is a seriously debilitating condition
 
  • Like
Reactions: marcusluvsvols, AM64, dovervolz and 1 other person
#7,933
#7,933
rjd970 said:
It’s what the country wants, sadly. It’s not our place to decide for them. I genuinely feel for anybody that feels trapped and I know it’s easy to say from my seat, but if change is what’s needed it will have to happen from within. At the end of the day though, it’s seems sharia law and an Islamic republic is what they want. Just keep it there, and if an attack is launched from there again we take the gloves off when we strike back.
Click to expand...

I am beginning to think you actually do work for the government with a response as idiotic as that one. “We take the gloves off when we strike back”. What have we been doing the last 20 years? Next time we’ll get it right!
 
Last edited:
#7,935
#7,935
  • Like
Reactions: marcusluvsvols, davethevol, CagleMtnVol and 3 others
#7,938
#7,938
KT McFarland: Afghanistan was a Fiasco and our WOKE Military, Political Leaders Will NEVER Be Held Accountable

There is something seriously wrong with the senior leadership of our armed forces

Tuesday, the U.S. military’s three top generals testified at the Senate Armed Services Committee about the botched Afghanistan withdrawal. Secretary of Defense General Lloyd Austin, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley, and the head of the U.S. Central Command General Franklin McKenzie, were like three little kids who put their hands over their eyes, ears, and mouths – see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

The generals insisted they did nothing wrong, they bore no responsibility for what happened. They deflected, bobbed, weaved and tried to spin one of the most significant military disasters into U.S. military history as a great success.

Nothing was their fault! It was the incompetent Afghan military! It was the corrupt Afghan president! It was the weather!

By the time the generals were finished, they even threw President Joe Biden under the bus.

KT McFarland: Afghanistan was a fiasco and our woke military, political leaders will never be held accountable
 
  • Like
Reactions: marcusluvsvols and BreatheUT
#7,939
#7,939
'I'm not going to resign, no way': Gen Milley REJECTS Tom Cotton's suggestion he should step down after Biden 'ignored' his advice to keep 2,500 troops in Afghanistan

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley got into a heated exchange with Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) over the advice he gave President Biden on troop levels in Afghanistan – with Milley rejecting the idea he should resign over policy differences.

'I understand that you're the principle military advisor. That you advise. You don't decide, the president decides. But if this is all true, Gen. Milley, why haven't you resigned?' asked Cotton, who was deployed as an Army officer in Afghanistan during his military career.

Gen. Milley REJECTS Tom Cotton's suggestion he should step down over the Afghanistan withdrawal | Daily Mail Online
 
  • Like
Reactions: marcusluvsvols and StarRaider
#7,940
#7,940
Taliban says U.S. drones must stop entering Afghanistan


Sept 29 (Reuters) - The Taliban on Wednesday warned of consequences if the United States did not stop flying drones over Afghan airspace.

"The U.S. has violated all international rights and laws as well as its commitments made to the Taliban in Doha, Qatar, with the operation of these drones in Afghanistan," the Taliban said in a statement on Twitter.

Taliban says U.S. drones must stop entering Afghanistan
 
#7,941
#7,941
BreatheUT said:
Taliban says U.S. drones must stop entering Afghanistan


Sept 29 (Reuters) - The Taliban on Wednesday warned of consequences if the United States did not stop flying drones over Afghan airspace.

"The U.S. has violated all international rights and laws as well as its commitments made to the Taliban in Doha, Qatar, with the operation of these drones in Afghanistan," the Taliban said in a statement on Twitter.

Taliban says U.S. drones must stop entering Afghanistan
Click to expand...

complicates the over the horizon strategy a bit...
 
  • Like
Reactions: marcusluvsvols, CagleMtnVol, AM64 and 2 others
#7,944
#7,944
BreatheUT said:
Taliban says U.S. drones must stop entering Afghanistan


Sept 29 (Reuters) - The Taliban on Wednesday warned of consequences if the United States did not stop flying drones over Afghan airspace.

"The U.S. has violated all international rights and laws as well as its commitments made to the Taliban in Doha, Qatar, with the operation of these drones in Afghanistan," the Taliban said in a statement on Twitter.

Taliban says U.S. drones must stop entering Afghanistan
Click to expand...

I guess if we knew for sure they don't have some leftover Americans for hostages, we could just tell the Taliban to hold their breath until they turn blue and die ... or suggest they trade their new Chinese buddies for an air defense system and try to shoot our drones down.
 
  • Like
Reactions: marcusluvsvols
#7,945
#7,945
Joe Biden has developed a series of policies thst can be described as The Biden Doctrine.
Surrender in war, regardless of the consequences.
Cut and run in the middle of the night.
Leave your closest Allies, so they cannot depend on your country.
Surrender the country`s border, regardless of outcome.
Abandon equipment, so your enemies have capabilities they wouldn't have.
Abandon these most needing help, so their only hope is to jump from an airplane.
Leave behind American citizens for ransom by our enemies.
Embolden your enemies.

Analysis: What's the ‘Biden doctrine’? Afghanistan pullout offers clues
 
  • Like
Reactions: allvol123, marcusluvsvols, red butler and 1 other person
#7,946
#7,946
In President Biden's desire to be out of Afghanistan by 9/11, he forgot about all of the equipment he left behind.
This is pretty bad.
American helicopters, U.S.-supplied M24 sniper rifles and M18 assault weapons, stacks of other small arms and materiel in unending piles and driving Humvees and other U.S.-made military trucks.
This is pathetic
The Taliban have seized airplanes, tanks and artillery from Afghan outposts and from evacuating U.S. personnel
It`s pretty bad:
The U.S. has also transferred anti-tank missiles, automatic grenade launchers, mortars and rocket-propelled grenades to Afghan forces.
It gets worse :
The U.S. sent nearly 600,000 small arms, 76,000 vehicles and 208 airplanes to Afghanistan’s military and police from 2003 to 2016, according to a 2017 Government Accountability Office report, one of the few such compilations. The most recent quarterly report of the U.S.-led military coalition documented deliveries of 174 Humvees, nearly three million rounds of ammunition, and nearly 100,000 2.75-inch rockets during the period....

In case you were wondering, this came from the Wall Street Journal.

Taliban Seize, Stockpile U.S. Weapons in Afghanistan https://www.wsj.com/articles/taliba...iling-helicopters-guns-and-trucks-11629470916
 
  • Like
Reactions: marcusluvsvols, tbwhhs and InVOLuntary
#7,947
#7,947
Our allies are calling out the loss of Afghanistan by retreat. Finally, a statesman speaks. Biden has immeasurably hurt this country. Tony Blair said the following:

"The hasty withdrawal had been a “tragic, dangerous, unnecessary” decision that undermined the West’s aims. He accused US President Biden of being motivated by “an imbecilic political slogan about ending ‘the forever wars’, as if our engagement in 2021 was remotely comparable to our commitment 20 or even 10 years ago”.

He really slams Biden...

“In the aftermath of the decision to return Afghanistan to the same group from which the carnage of 9/11 arose, and in a manner which seems almost designed to parade our humiliation, the question which allies and enemies alike pose is: has the West lost its strategic will?

“The world is now uncertain of where the West stands because it is so obvious that the decision to withdraw from Afghanistan in this way was driven not by grand strategy but by politics.”
 
  • Like
Reactions: marcusluvsvols and InVOLuntary
#7,949
#7,949
We should have been out of there years ago. The execution of the exit was terrible. Complaining we left means you are all in on forever war
 
  • Like
Reactions: McDad
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top