TCU overrated?

[m1al]

TCU beat a Texas team that took Bama down to the wire and just barely couldn’t pull off the upset. TCU is a very good team. However, they would likely get routed by Georgia.

Do you seriously believe the Texas team TCU beat is the same team (physically, emotionally, etc., etc.) that played Bama early in the season?

Texas absolutely SUCKED against TCU and still made a game out of it... IMO, that game did not help TCU's cause. They managed to NOT lose...... barely.

 

[Matt2496]

Do you seriously believe the Texas team TCU beat is the same team (physically, emotionally, etc., etc.) that played Bama early in the season?

Texas absolutely SUCKED against TCU and still made a game out of it... IMO, that game did not help TCU's cause. They managed to NOT lose...... barely.

I just think TCU is better than what people are giving them credit for. You don’t get to 10-0 for being an average team, even in the Big 12.

 

[JMSqb11]

Honestly, it's very simple, if you're NOT one of the "best four", then by definition, you don't belong in a "best four" ranking...

I agree with you 100000% but when you have a 13 person body deciding what 4 teams, they are going to have different opinions on "best"......

The thing with TCU is they have a very weak schedule. Everyone on their conference schedule has atleast 3 losses....

This is why I think people are going to be quiet if they lose a game and drop out of the Top 10..... Even if they lose a regular season game and win the Big 12, they will be clamoring for a "we won our conference" spot, but they will be so far on the outside.

They are basically where Cincy was at this point. The only "credit" they get for being in playoff contention is not losing to anyone on their schedule which is overall weak.

However if they lose a game in the last 2 weeks of the regular season, there will be chaos for the 4th and final spot.

 

[vol_sec]

I don’t see that Tennessee was the #1 team in the country in the Arkansas game. With still three or four games to go. Go to Syracuse and beat that team in the dome starting the year. How many teams can say they beat Donovan McNabb senior team starting out the year in dome?!?!? Then a Florida coached spurrier team that has your number. Georgia and Bama and then a 8-0 highly ranked and highly publicized Arkansas team. Then the SEC championship game against a difficult Mississippi State team. That’s helluva gauntlet and that is NO comparison to say TCU is anything close to that.

Yeah, understood UT had a much tougher schedule. I was referring to how the season played out. Preseason UT was ranked #10. On week 6, UT still had 3 team ranked above them, OSU, UCLA, and KSU. OSU and FSU were preseason favorites. I am not sure UT makes the playoff if those four teams didn't lose a game. I remember watching each week hoping someone would drop a game. OSU lost to Michigan State by 4 points, which was a huge surprise at the time, or they would have been in the playoffs. They blew everyone else out that year. That loss was considered bad to an overall 4-4 unranked team and they dropped 6 or 7 spots in the polls (which is not a surprising loss now since Nick Saban was the unranked teams head coach). And KSU was ranked ahead in the AP and I believe some computer polls until the last week they dropped a game. So back then, I didn't feel UT was getting the credit they deserved partly for the close games and had some luck with other teams ahead of them losing or they might not of made the final two if there had been four or five unbeaten teams like there are right now currently in 2022.

 

[VolMack——————$]

Yeah, understood UT had a much tougher schedule. I was referring to how the season played out. Preseason UT was ranked #10. On week 6, UT still had 3 team ranked above them, OSU, UCLA, and KSU. OSU and FSU were preseason favorites. I am not sure UT makes the playoff if those four teams didn't lose a game. I remember watching each week hoping someone would drop a game. OSU lost to Michigan State by 4 points, which was a huge surprise at the time, or they would have been in the playoffs. They blew everyone else out that year. That loss was considered bad to an overall 4-4 unranked team and they dropped 6 or 7 spots in the polls (which is not a surprising loss now since Nick Saban was the unranked teams head coach). And KSU was ranked ahead in the AP and I believe some computer polls until the last week they dropped a game. So back then, I didn't feel UT was getting the credit they deserved partly for the close games and had some luck with other teams ahead of them losing or they might not of made the final two if there had been four or five unbeaten teams like there are right now currently in 2022.

Yeah and I remember that everyone said that we were lucky that we didn’t have to play such and such. I remember it well and all worries and scenario’s. But in the end it worked itself out and we ended up playing one of the best defenses at that time EVER. Tennessee played one hell of a schedule and no one can take that championship away. They deserved everything that did come there way. People say well if he didn’t stumble and lost the ball. NO…..because if the refs would’ve called the right call. When there punter kicked the football thru the back of the endzone in the field of play. The ball would’ve been Tennessees at about the two yard line. Then that fumble may never have been a play in history that gave Arkansas the lost ! Of course there defense should still stop Henry from running over them like a train. Lol

 

[Vol in Buckeye Land]

Yeah and I remember that everyone said that we were lucky that we didn’t have to play such and such. I remember it well and all worries and scenario’s. But in the end it worked itself out and we ended up playing one of the best defenses at that time EVER. Tennessee played one hell of a schedule and no one can take that championship away. They deserved everything that did come there way. People say well if he didn’t stumble and lost the ball. NO…..because if the refs would’ve called the right call. When there punter kicked the football thru the back of the endzone in the field of play. The ball would’ve been Tennessees at about the two yard line. Then that fumble may never have been a play in history that gave Arkansas the lost ! Of course there defense should still stop Henry from running over them like a train. Lol

People see the Stoerner fumble but don’t note Billy Ratliff throwing the guard back into him causing him to fall down.

 

[Stephen Gray]

Ohio State benefits from a weak schedule but often proves to be a legitimately top team when they face off against other top teams. Clemson has done this before, as has Florida State. Sometimes powerhouse teams come out of weak conferences. Other times a team was good enough to win their games but when faced with stronger competition they prove to be unworthy.

I think TCU probably is no where near as good as anyone in the top 5 or probably even the top 10 but that’s just analysis that I think is sound, would even bet against them in those games for sure, but I can’t say it’s 100% certain. Maybe they are actually that good. Probably not, but they have passed every test they have faced so far, many they were not expected to.

We have also done this. I’m sure plenty of people in Alabama think they are a better team than Tennessee and would win the rematch. They might point to our struggles against Pitt, or Florida, and how close their game was, and that we had home field advantage and some breaks go our way. I think we would actually beat them much more soundly if we played again, and LSU beating them doesn’t help their case, but their arguments are not completely crazy.

More to the point it’s not something we can actually prove. We can be right a lot of the time when the evidence points a way but it’s still not certain. If we always award the teams we think are the best and ignore what their records are we will sometimes miss out on strong teams that handled their business, but maybe don’t have as many impressive wins.

A team that struggles in early games but wins them and gets better over the season could actually be one of the top teams or even the best at the end but might get dinged because they didn’t win soundly enough. They could be passed over by a team that lost one or even two because people think that team is actually better.

We lost one game to Georgia. Most reasonable people believe Georgia would win easily again, but I don’t think that’s necessarily true. If we do get a chance to play again, we could very well beat them, and not because we are lucky, but because we improved our execution and planned better. That said, it’s completely fair to assume Georgia is in fact likely to beat us again. It’s probably true, but might not be.

The whole thing about sports is the outcomes are never fully known. Even if they are usually right about those kind of things, in sports the best analyst is frequently enough wrong that we have very interesting things happen in the real world. They would be wrong enough that occasionally deserving teams who actually are good enough would be left out despite having a flawless record.

 

[CAVPUT]

They're undefeated and beat texas at their place. In my book, they're ranked where they should be. If they win out, they're playoff bound IMO no matter if that keeps us out. Gotta respect a season like that.

 

[Stephen Gray]

They're undefeated and beat texas at their place. In my book, they're ranked where they should be. If they win out, they're playoff bound IMO no matter if that keeps us out. Gotta respect a season like that.

Agree. And it’s a really big if. I wish we would wait till they do it before worrying so much about them robbing us

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Would they put a one loss ACC champ Clemson in over us?

Probably not. Tennessee is the better one-loss team. We lost to the current #1. Clemson lost to 3-loss Notre Dame.

TCU has 2 losable games coming up, the first at Baylor.

USC has 3 losable games coming up, UCLA, Notre Dame, and the PAC 12 championship game against the Oregon-Utah winner.

No 2 loss team is getting in.

I'm.mybscensrio, we hope for an OSU- Michigan blowout and a TCU loss. That gets us in, maybe as #3.

 

[m1al]

I just think TCU is better than what people are giving them credit for. You don’t get to 10-0 for being an average team, even in the Big 12.

Fair enough. I wouldn't call them "average" either, I think they're top 10 but lower half, 6th to 10th...

I'm really trying not to use my orange tinted glasses, I just don't think they deserve to be ranked above us.

 

[JMSqb11]

I just think TCU is better than what people are giving them credit for. You don’t get to 10-0 for being an average team, even in the Big 12.

It is easy to go 10-0 against a very weak schedule. TCU is not going to have to a win over a single team with 1 or 2 losses this year.

 

[m1al]

I agree with you 100000% but when you have a 13 person body deciding what 4 teams, they are going to have different opinions on "best"......

The thing with TCU is they have a very weak schedule. Everyone on their conference schedule has atleast 3 losses....

This is why I think people are going to be quiet if they lose a game and drop out of the Top 10..... Even if they lose a regular season game and win the Big 12, they will be clamoring for a "we won our conference" spot, but they will be so far on the outside.

They are basically where Cincy was at this point. The only "credit" they get for being in playoff contention is not losing to anyone on their schedule which is overall weak.

However if they lose a game in the last 2 weeks of the regular season, there will be chaos for the 4th and final spot.

I understand the point being made, I just don't agree with it. The mine field a team has to navigate is a huge factor IMO.. If people judging this beauty contest actually see that and think a one loss team is better due to their "resume", yet still vote for a TCU then they're just cowards and this whole thing is about as relevant and "real" as the Hypesman award..

Call me naive, but it would be nice to see actual integrity and honesty.