Tea parties....

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I just want to state that I had absolutely no problem with the general idea of the protest. I thought a lot of the media coverage of it was absolutely retarded. I think that this was a necessary event, and just because I might have caught the fringe element of the protest doesn't mean I think that the event as a whole was a crazy, bad, or malicious idea.
 
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MystifyingVol said:
I can understand that it would seem "fringe" to espouse those thoughts, but there is a reason behind them, mainly trying to emulate the foreign policy that our founding fathers believed in, specifically Jefferson.
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I understand the basis of the position. When I meant "fringe" I meant it in terms of there not being a chance in hell it would ever happen right now.
 
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emainvol said:
1. Partly, wasn't it also about the Britons lowering the taxes on East India Tea with the intent of increasing sales for the struggling company, which led to a drop in sales for American companies? I may be wrong, but that's the version I have heard most often (surprisingly) I guess I either have had great or crazy teachers.

I'm not attempting to describe what the original tea party was about - just the lamo criticisms the critics used. I heard/read many criticisms where the critic described the original BTP this way then went on to explain why yesterday's were dumb because the situation (as they described it) leading to the original are not true today.

3. Not in my town, at least the signs I saw. They were hanging upside down American flags on Bart Gordan's office (leaving the Republican headquarters alone. Again, at least from what I saw) and holding signs referencing the Saudi king and Obama the communist. The people that were on message seemed vastly outnumbered, but Murfreesboro is obviously not indicative of the entirety of the protests. I didn't see any out and out racism, but that doesn't mean it wasn't there. It doesn't mean it was either.
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Again, look to what critics (even our own LG) claimed this was really all about - hate, fear mongering, racism and general anti-Obamanism. On the whole, that element was a very small part and any protest attracts nutjobs.
 
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rjd970 said:
I understand the basis of the position. When I meant "fringe" I meant it in terms of there not being a chance in hell it would ever happen right now.
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I agree - some of the proposals Paul made seemed nutty or extreme and simply not doable in current times.

However, I do agree with his core message.
 
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volinbham said:
Again, look to what critics (even our own LG) claimed this was really all about - hate, fear mongering, racism and general anti-Obamanism. On the whole, that element was a very small part and any protest attracts nutjobs.
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True that. At least I can come to terms with the fact that the much younger, much angrier part of the crowd that I saw was the fringe. Hell one of my bar regulars was there and we talked about the crazies that came out late.
 
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As for the Tea Party, I just think it is interesting that most people don't know the whole story. Not saying you don't.
 
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emainvol said:
I must have missed the part where you live in my town and sat in my truck as about 500 protesters passed by. I'll point out that those pictures don't show the march.

That said, it remained pretty peaceful, I'll give it that.
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Must have been your bumper stickers.......

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MystifyingVol said:
I can understand that it would seem "fringe" to espouse those thoughts, but there is a reason behind them, mainly trying to emulate the foreign policy that our founding fathers believed in, specifically Jefferson.
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Thomas Jefferson didn't live in a world so small or intertwined.
 
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emainvol said:
Well, most people completely leave out the part about the effect on Colonial businesses being one of the catalysts.
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Oh my bad - I thought you were talking about what happened at the modern day ones.

You're right and include me - I don't recall much at all about the original event; may not have ever learned it in the first place.
 
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volinbham said:
Oh my bad - I thought you were talking about what happened at the modern day ones.

You're right and include me - I don't recall much at all about the original event; may not have ever learned it in the first place.
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A point that is often ignored is that, while some of the religious freedom issues, and not quartering troops in the homes, etc., mattered, the primary motivation for the Revolution for many colonists was purely economic. Or at least largely so.
 
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lawgator1 said:
A point that is often ignored is that, while some of the religious freedom issues, and not quartering troops in the homes, etc., mattered, the primary motivation for the Revolution for many colonists was purely economic. Or at least largely so.
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I wouldn't necessarily go that far, there were numerous factors. The economic factors did serve to turn some to the side of revolution.
 
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I was driving through downtown Nashville and some crazy woman yelled at me to honk and I flipped her off. Not to say I don't agree with the protest, I just wasn't aware there was one and was driving there on pure timing. I thought from a distance it was a field trip but soon realized it was a protest of some kind. I saw a lot of signs and my wife explained to me the tea party.

Good idea....this overspending government is a bunch of tools IMO. I'm sure some wanker on here will say "yeeeeeyuuuuuh, but George W, George W, George W....." You know what, shut your hole & know your role. It's not a contest on who can screw up America the most........this is America and at some point we have to say "look, jack@sses, stop spending, plan a way out of the middle east, take care of our children and elderly, invest in capitalism that works, if they fail they fail, AND for God's sake don't take him out of everything." I'm growing so tired of the pu#$%#'s in this world telling me what I can and can't say, when I can & can't mention God, deliberately going away from what our Constitution and founding fathers wanted (& what has worked well for over 200 years). Amen, I need a tylenol.
 
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HawaiiVol said:
Fox news represented themselves well.

Fox News Reporter: Wake Up And Fight The Fascism In Our Country (VIDEO)
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Hard to call what CNN or Fox did "news reporting" in these cases. The only difference I see is that the CNN person is an actual reporter while this guy is a commentator on a financial show that is clearly an advocate for capitalism whenever he appears. It would be like CNN having Paul Krugman as a reporter in the field.

Overall, the state of journalism blows.
 
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