Tea parties....

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lawgator1 said:
All valid points.
Fur future events, they ought to discourage from speaking anyone who has ever held, or is planning on seeking election to, any federal office.
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+1, I totally agree with this, I don't want to see a stump speech, I get enough of these at our precinct, county, district, and state conventions (which ticks me off as well, we are there to do business, not be sold to). I also would like to see them discourage any partisan speakers that would make this seem like a Republican pep-rally; this isn't meant to be a Republican pep-rally, it is meant to be an American movement, regardless or political affiliation.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Fur future events, they ought to discourage from speaking anyone who has ever held, or is planning on seeking election to, any federal office.
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heard an interview this morning with a local rep and they said it was requested they not show up and would not be given speaking time if they did. The organizer said that the rep had her shot already
 
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utvolpj said:
heard an interview this morning with a local rep and they said it was requested they not show up and would not be given speaking time if they did. The organizer said that the rep had her shot already
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Nice. It's statements like this that tell me this isn't a partisan charade. These demonstrations really mean what they are saying.
 
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Not letting the politicians try to tie their wagons to it might be the most effecitve thing about them in the sense that it might realylk drive home the point that people are genuinely getting pissed off about this.
 
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rjd970 said:
Nice. It's statements like this that tell me this isn't a partisan charade. These demonstrations really mean what they are saying.
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the local one here had no politicians involved and was generally a gathering after work for those that I could see.
 
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I love the counter protesters. What is their message? Taxes are just right and government use of them is so efficient!
 
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BigPapaVol said:
the local one here had no politicians involved and was generally a gathering after work for those that I could see.
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I know a couple of guys from work that went to the one here in Huntsville during their lunch break. They said the general consensus was everyone was fed up with the whole lot in Washington, repub and dem both.

It's surprising to me Ron Paul didn't get more support if everybody felt this way. He is the only one that actually backs up what he says about taxes and spending with his vote. Everyone else it just seems like gives lip service to the notion.
 
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rjd970 said:
I know a couple of guys from work that went to the one here in Huntsville during their lunch break. They said the general consensus was everyone was fed up with the whole lot in Washington, repub and dem both.

It's surprising to me Ron Paul didn't get more support if everybody felt this way. He is the only one that actually backs up what he says about taxes and spending with his vote. Everyone else it just seems like gives lip service to the notion.
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Guys like Ron Paul get marginalized by the media very quickly and thus have no prayer to raise the necessary funds to fight the entrenched dirtbags of whom we must rid ourselves.

Continued ineptitude on their part is going to continue to help the libertarian crowd gain steam. Yesterday was really a sign of that transition for me.

The libertarian candidate in 2012 will have much more money than any of his predecessors.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Guys like Ron Paul get marginalized by the media very quickly and thus have no prayer to raise the necessary funds to fight the entrenched dirtbags of whom we must rid ourselves.
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True that. The way the MSM treated him during the primaries, especially FNC, was ridiculous. In every debate I saw, I thought he made the most sense from a fiscal point of view. His problem IMO was he has some views that are kind of on the fringe (get rid of the CIA, close every foreign military base, etc) and the media focused on that instead of what his strengths were.

If the repubs could come up with a candidate with Reagan's foreign policy views and Paul's fiscal views, it would be golden for the GOP....actually, it would be golden for the country. It's what is really needed right now. I could look past the conservative social and religous stances and vote for a candidate like that.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Why wait until then...

The midterm elections in 2010 should be the focus of local libertarian movements...
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but the issue is that the Libertarian movement is individualistic at it's core. The fact that so many people came out to these things is amazing to me. It's just hard to get a group of people together who believe group-think is bad.

This may be perfect timing but I won't hold my breath that the multi-billion dollar, political machines will ever allow it to happen
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Local libertarians have no prayer in the fight for congressional seats.
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In GOP strongholds that have an unpopular representative, it could happen. If they actually compete in 10 or so of those races, that would be a respectable start. No way am I suggesting that there will be suddenly a political shift in 18 months... they just need to focus in areas where they have a chance to get some traction and make some hay.
 
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rjd970 said:
It's surprising to me Ron Paul didn't get more support if everybody felt this way. He is the only one that actually backs up what he says about taxes and spending with his vote. Everyone else it just seems like gives lip service to the notion.
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Timing is everything - he was preaching to a nation that didn't believe what he was saying and predicting. He was about 6 - 12 months too early. Post-bubble and in the midst of wanton spending, his message makes a lot of sense.
 
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rjd970 said:
True that. The way the MSM treated him during the primaries, especially FNC, was ridiculous. In every debate I saw, I thought he made the most sense from a fiscal point of view. His problem IMO was he has some views that are kind of on the fringe (get rid of the CIA, close every foreign military base, etc) and the media focused on that instead of what his strengths were.
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I can understand that it would seem "fringe" to espouse those thoughts, but there is a reason behind them, mainly trying to emulate the foreign policy that our founding fathers believed in, specifically Jefferson.
 
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volinbham said:
I'm continually entertained by critics that:

1. Make up what they think the events were about then trash their own version (e.g. the original BTP was about taxation without representation - don't these morons know they have representation? Duh.)

2. Claim it's not a grassroots movement - it's orchestrated. No crap sherlock of course it's organized just like the Million Man March was, just like all those war protests were. Unless all the attendees were paid to attend, it still qualifies to be called grassroots as much as any of those other events do.

3. It's simply hate-mongering, racists who hate Obama and poor people. Wrong again. The vast majority of signs were about irresponsible tax and spend actions of Congress and the White House --- coincidentally the purpose of the events. Wow. How did that happen.

4. References to attendees as whiners, sore losers, etc. Interesting that these comments come from many who screamed bloody murder about anything the previous administration did.
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1. Partly, wasn't it also about the Britons lowering the taxes on East India Tea with the intent of increasing sales for the struggling company, which led to a drop in sales for American companies? I may be wrong, but that's the version I have heard most often (surprisingly) I guess I either have had great or crazy teachers.

3. Not in my town, at least the signs I saw. They were hanging upside down American flags on Bart Gordan's office (leaving the Republican headquarters alone. Again, at least from what I saw) and holding signs referencing the Saudi king and Obama the communist. The people that were on message seemed vastly outnumbered, but Murfreesboro is obviously not indicative of the entirety of the protests. I didn't see any out and out racism, but that doesn't mean it wasn't there. It doesn't mean it was either.
 
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emainvol said:
1. Partly, wasn't it also about the Britons lowering the taxes on East India Tea with the intent of increasing sales for the struggling company, which led to a drop in sales for American companies? I may be wrong, but that's the version I have heard most often (surprisingly) I guess I either have had great or crazy teachers.

3. Not in my town, at least the signs I saw. They were hanging upside down American flags on Bart Gordan's office (leaving the Republican headquarters alone. Again, at least from what I saw) and holding signs referencing the Saudi king and Obama the communist. The people that were on message seemed vastly outnumbered, but Murfreesboro is obviously not indicative of the entirety of the protests.
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I can see where that might be true in a town like the Boro. You have a mix of extremely exuberant college kids and a good number of fundamentalist Christians. I would say the tone of the protests would differ from city to city based on a number of factors, not to mention the intentions of the local organizer(s).
 
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emainvol said:
1. Partly, wasn't it also about the Britons lowering the taxes on East India Tea with the intent of increasing sales for the struggling company, which led to a drop in sales for American companies? I may be wrong, but that's the version I have heard most often (surprisingly) I guess I either have had great or crazy teachers.

3. Not in my town, at least the signs I saw. They were hanging upside down American flags on Bart Gordan's office (leaving the Republican headquarters alone. Again, at least from what I saw) and holding signs referencing the Saudi king and Obama the communist. The people that were on message seemed vastly outnumbered, but Murfreesboro is obviously not indicative of the entirety of the protests. I didn't see any out and out racism, but that doesn't mean it wasn't there.
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Are these the pictures of that rally? If so, IMO, it paints a different picture.

www.tennessean.com | Nashville Photo Galleries - News & Sports | The Tennessean
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
ya like nothing he talked about
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I must have missed the part where you live in my town and sat in my truck as about 500 protesters passed by. I'll point out that those pictures don't show the march.

That said, it remained pretty peaceful, I'll give it that.
 
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emainvol said:
I must have missed the part where you live in my town and sat in my truck as about 500 protesters passed by. I'll point out that those pictures don't show the march.

That said, it remained pretty peaceful, I'll give it that.
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hahhahaha
 
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