Team Issue…

[whobethis16]

I'm convinced some posters do not watch the games, but instead cling to the box scores. Not real sure how anyone can watch the guy consistently overthrow sure TDs, hold on to the ball and take unnecessary sacks, be 240 lbs and cower before getting hit by DBs on draws, throw a ball 100 mph when a receiver is 10 ft away, make the wrong read, etc, etc...

My original comment asserted Milton's lack luster play was a big problem this season, but not the only problem. Im not a Milton hater, i just think hes a below average QB with great measurables, nothing more. He was our best option this season unfortunately.

its disingenuous, though, for the one poster to try to convince people Jaylen Wright and Dylan Sampson were as big of a problem as JM.

Again, you're hating on the QB for not getting in the endzone ("consistently overthrowing sure TDs"), yet completely ignoring the RBs failures to get in the endzone. Makes sense.

Also, last year Hooker got sacked 23 times in 11 games. Milton has been sacked 16 in 12. Since you'll go that route, I'm not saying Milton is better than Hooker, but if you're going to chastise him for sacks, you should know what the the other did.

It's not disingenuous when you, among others, set RIDICULOUS expectations from the man, and ignore the others' shortcomings. If the job of the offense is to score, including the RBs, and the QB is tied as leader for rushing TDs, whose fault is it the rest of the running game failed? If you, among others, say things like "big deal the guy threw for that many yards, where are the TDs?" but ignore that the RBs had a LOT of yards but failed to get the TDs, it's clearly a dislike for the QB.

 

[keenobserver]

Again, you're hating on the QB for not getting in the endzone ("consistently overthrowing sure TDs"), yet completely ignoring the RBs failures to get in the endzone. Makes sense.

Also, last year Hooker got sacked 23 times in 11 games. Milton has been sacked 16 in 12. Since you'll go that route, I'm not saying Milton is better than Hooker, but if you're going to chastise him for sacks, you should know what the the other did.

It's not disingenuous when you, among others, set RIDICULOUS expectations from the man, and ignore the others' shortcomings. If the job of the offense is to score, including the RBs, and the QB is tied as leader for rushing TDs, whose fault is it the rest of the running game failed? If you, among others, say things like "big deal the guy threw for that many yards, where are the TDs?" but ignore that the RBs had a LOT of yards but failed to get the TDs, it's clearly a dislike for the QB.

I'm really trying here, but I don't understand the logic. Are you saying Wright, Sampson, and Small had a problem with stumbling and falling without being tackled when they had break away touchdowns? How does QB goal line sneaks/zone read keepers diminish how well our running backs played? In today's game, and more specifically, in Hypuels offense, one QB's stats is somehow more impressive than a RB that broke the 1000 yd mark for the 1st time in over a decade when he split carries 4 ways? How does that make sense?

I'm not trying right be patronizing. I agree there may be too many that expected more out of Milton and I was probably one of those. I'll say it again, unfortunately he was our only option this season. We had to eliminate most of the playbook to compensate for his deficiencies. Heck, we went through about a 4 game span where we didn't even throw to the middle of the field, or even down field shots consistently. Nothing but perimeter screens and swing passes. You think that's what Hypuel wanted to do? No, he tried his best to hide those deficiencies, particularly when Milton's mishaps were hurting our chances of winning.

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

I’m not sure why you all take it so personal that some pointed out joes flaws. He was a class act while he was here. I respect that and hope the best for him at the next level. But like many I understand that he struggled to be a next level QB. He couldn’t read, he couldn’t make decisions, and often lacked on field football IQ. Sometimes those things just can’t be taught. Statistically, he was an underperforming QB in the SEC. Those are facts. Not personal attacks. He really held back the offense at times. Our offensive line actually played decent ball this year, especially given the moving around and injuries. Some of us were just ready to get our future valuable experience. Kind of like looking to the bowl game. Joe nor the university stands to gain anything from Milton playing in the bowl game. But I’ll still bet he does. You can’t create game speed in practice. You just can’t. Every rep we can get our future at this point is a positive.

I believe you’re discounting the fact that many teams started playing the box heavy once they saw that Milton was struggling and making awful decisions. At one time we were averaging over 230 rush yds per game. I’m willing to bet we didn’t end the season anywhere near that.

If you rephrase that to say " once they realized out receiving corps couldnt get open" you might be onto something

 

[Mccage]

I'm really trying here, but I don't understand the logic. Are you saying Wright, Sampson, and Small had a problem with stumbling and falling without being tackled when they had break away touchdowns? How does QB goal line sneaks/zone read keepers diminish how well our running backs played? In today's game, and more specifically, in Hypuels offense, one QB's stats is somehow more impressive than a RB that broke the 1000 yd mark for the 1st time in over a decade when he split carries 4 ways? How does that make sense?

I'm not trying right be patronizing. I agree there may be too many that expected more out of Milton and I was probably one of those. I'll say it again, unfortunately he was our only option this season. We had to eliminate most of the playbook to compensate for his deficiencies. Heck, we went through about a 4 game span where we didn't even throw to the middle of the field, or even down field shots consistently. Nothing but perimeter screens and swing passes. You think that's what Hypuel wanted to do? No, he tried his best to hide those deficiencies, particularly when Milton's mishaps were hurting our chances of

Yet again the Joe bashers fail to mention the WR’s

 

[EastTNVol6240]

If you rephrase that to say " once they realized out receiving corps couldnt get open" you might be onto something

Ahh yes heard that one a time or ten. He wouldn’t know because he predetermines every throw. He struggles to read. As nice as Hyatt was last year we can’t always hang our hat on a receiver creating a 10 yard gap.

 

[whobethis16]

I'm really trying here, but I don't understand the logic. Are you saying Wright, Sampson, and Small had a problem with stumbling and falling without being tackled when they had break away touchdowns? How does QB goal line sneaks/zone read keepers diminish how well our running backs played? In today's game, and more specifically, in Hypuels offense, one QB's stats is somehow more impressive than a RB that broke the 1000 yd mark for the 1st time in over a decade when he split carries 4 ways? How does that make sense?

I'm not trying right be patronizing. I agree there may be too many that expected more out of Milton and I was probably one of those. I'll say it again, unfortunately he was our only option this season. We had to eliminate most of the playbook to compensate for his deficiencies. Heck, we went through about a 4 game span where we didn't even throw to the middle of the field, or even down field shots consistently. Nothing but perimeter screens and swing passes. You think that's what Hypuel wanted to do? No, he tried his best to hide those deficiencies, particularly when Milton's mishaps were hurting our chances of winning.

So, we've gone from "he completely sucks" (when he didn't) to "he takes too many sacks" (which he took fewer than Hooker did but no one complains about Hooker's sacks), to "he couldn't score" (when he had more TDs than the RBs) to now "having a problem stumbling and falling down when he had breakaway touchdowns"? You're just constantly changing why you think he was so terrible and THE issue with the offense because you're too blind to the deficiencies of the other players. No one on here has said that Milton was this amazing QB and needs to be worshipped, but my god, he wasn't the dumpster fire that you and others keep making him out to be.

And by the way, only 4 of his 7 rushing TDs were under 5 yards. But 2 of those 4 were against Virginia where the play before Milton scored Sampson was stuffed on 1st and goal, and the other Small didn't get in the endzone after review. That was 2 opportunities right there.

 

[KTrain]

If you rephrase that to say " once they realized out receiving corps couldn't get open" you might be onto something

You know its funny but UGA receivers couldn't get any separation from Bama, I told some while watching that Ladd McConkey & Bowers where not getting their usual separation. It could be due to the nagging injuries they had but that is what UTs receivers looked like the whole year a high % of time they were getting very little separation, it was frustrating. Had a QB that can basically only run in a straight line had no juking ability and the receiver just were lacking also, so when there was no one to throw to you have to have a Hendon Hooker/Bryce Young type scrambling QB. The UGA QB IMO mirrors JM in his running ability.

 

[keenobserver]

So, we've gone from "he completely sucks" (when he didn't) to "he takes too many sacks" (which he took fewer than Hooker did but no one complains about Hooker's sacks), to "he couldn't score" (when he had more TDs than the RBs) to now "having a problem stumbling and falling down when he had breakaway touchdowns"? You're just constantly changing why you think he was so terrible and THE issue with the offense because you're too blind to the deficiencies of the other players. No one on here has said that Milton was this amazing QB and needs to be worshipped, but my god, he wasn't the dumpster fire that you and others keep making him out to be.

And by the way, only 4 of his 7 rushing TDs were under 5 yards. But 2 of those 4 were against Virginia where the play before Milton scored Sampson was stuffed on 1st and goal, and the other Small didn't get in the endzone after review. That was 2 opportunities right there.

And once again, I never said he was terrible. Only a significant (arguably the most) problem with the offense. And I've listed MANY reasons (some subjective, but I'm sure 70% of fans who watch the game would agree).

You, on the other hand, have attempted to draw silly analogies to justify his bad play, ie....Somehow trying to use cherry picked Milton goal line stats to suggest the strength of the entire team (the RBs) is somehow comparable to Milton's poor play.

Any logical observer can watch almost any one of the games and come to the exact opposite conclusion.

And if that's not ridiculous enough, you attempt to dig even deeper to try to justify his poor play with comparing him to one of the most efficient QBs in program history, maybe the SEC.

Law classes refer to these strategies as "faulty analogies", maybe "circular reasoning". They work real well with people that look at box scores, and don't watch the games.