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[ndubvols]

He did play more minutes than either. Also Uros can’t rebound, won’t argue that. But it’s BHH’s, who should be a high school senior, first college game, excuse me if I have less patience for Oliver getting bullied in the post by Martin plays starting his third year here. Again, he’s improved, but he had a tremendously long way to go so a little improvement is not going to cut it when he’s not an elite scorer or defender either and doesn’t have the potential of BHH

Sounds like you should be arguing more for BHH over Uros than BHH over ORN. I feel like ORN/fulky and BHH can be on the court together depending on the matchup, not sure BHH and Uros can ever be on the same court defensively.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Sounds like you should be arguing more for BHH over Uros than BHH over ORN. I feel like ORN/fulky and BHH can be on the court together depending on the matchup, not sure BHH and Uros can ever be on the same court defensively.

Yup, my quick reaction to rotation based on tonight unless it’s just a big team and we need UROS…

Chandler 30/Vescovi 10
Vescovi 20/Bailey 20
James 15/Powell 25
ON 10/BHH 20/James 10
Fulky 25/ON 15

Zeigler and Mashack will get some run in some games, Uros will as well…Diboundje, Aidoo and Tamba won’t see much.

 

[Vol49er]

Sounds like you should be arguing more for BHH over Uros than BHH over ORN. I feel like ORN/fulky and BHH can be on the court together depending on the matchup, not sure BHH and Uros can ever be on the same court defensively.

Yup, my quick reaction to rotation based on tonight unless it’s just a big team and we need UROS…

Chandler 30/Vescovi 10
Vescovi 20/Bailey 20
James 15/Powell 25
ON 10/BHH 20/James 10
Fulky 25/ON 15

That’s true to an extent, I prefer ON to Uros. But I think ON really struggles to contribute on offense if he’s at the 4 and doesn’t rebound well enough to be the 5. I think his minutes should be minimized as much as possible in favor of BHH or even JJJ at the 4 minutes

 

[Volinnooga]

Have you ever been to Auburn?

yep, several times Frankly I enjoyed the place

 

[bleedingTNorange]

That’s true to an extent, I prefer ON to Uros. But I think ON really struggles to contribute on offense if he’s at the 4 and doesn’t rebound well enough to be the 5. I think his minutes should be minimized as much as possible in favor of BHH or even JJJ at the 4 minutes

I don’t necessarily disagree and my minutes above show that, BHH getting bulk of the 4 minutes…obviously have to see how he does but 14 rebounds in 28 minutes is pretty damn good….say what you want about opponent, but Fulkerson has never had a 13 or 14 rebound game in his career, and he’s played many games against the UT-Martin’s of the world.

 

[cncchris33]

That’s true to an extent, I prefer ON to Uros. But I think ON really struggles to contribute on offense if he’s at the 4 and doesn’t rebound well enough to be the 5. I think his minutes should be minimized as much as possible in favor of BHH or even JJJ at the 4 minutes

 

[Vol49er]

I don’t necessarily disagree and my minutes above show that, BHH getting bulk of the 4 minutes…obviously have to see how he does but 14 rebounds in 28 minutes is pretty damn good….say what you want about opponent, but Fulkerson has never had a 13 or 14 rebound game in his career, and he’s played many games against the UT-Martin’s of the world.

Fulk could certainly stand to rebound better himself, but I think he adds a lot more than ON in pretty much every other area

 

[Vol49er]

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I have kinda flipped a switch on him and joined your side, idk why I just got really frustrated watching him play tonight after all the talk he’d be better. The same tantalizing flashes are there but he didn’t look like he’d put it together still for me. Wouldn’t be so noticeable if we didn’t dump it down to him as often as we did, hopefully that changes

I feel like in general I was more pessimistic about the team than most through the offseason and maybe that’s affecting how I saw this game bc I don’t feel as great about the showing as most seem to

 

[cncchris33]

I have kinda flipped a switch on him and joined your side, idk why I just got really frustrated watching him play tonight after all the talk he’d be better. The same tantalizing flashes are there but he didn’t look like he’d put it together still for me. Wouldn’t be so noticeable if we didn’t dump it down to him as often as we did, hopefully that changes

I feel like in general I was more pessimistic about the team than most through the offseason and maybe that’s affecting how I saw this game bc I don’t feel as great about the showing as most seem to

It's ok to hold the minority opinion, sometimes, especially if you have real conviction. Bruin and I were largely in the minority (perhaps the only ones), 2 seasons ago, who believed that Vescovi's skill-set appeared to be more suited for the SG position. Now, most others have come around to that line of thinking, too.

I've been heavily anti-Nkamhoua since we began recruiting him. I just never believed in him as a difference-maker during the recruiting process, and felt we should have held the scholarship. I'm fine with admitting that he rebounded the ball, well, tonight. As you said, many fell in his lap, but he didn't grab those same ones, too often, last year, so I'll take improvement anywhere I can get it. I don't care if he scores a single point, assuming he doesn't shoot the ball, so long as he's grabbing those rebounds. I agree that the majority of his playing time is better spent at the 5 backing up Fulky, as I'd split BHH and James primarily at the 4, with BHH starting in his place.

As a side note, ON would be so much more likeable (to me) if he played the position more aggressively. He plays timid, though, and it sticks out.

 

[cncchris33]

As a side note, ON would be so much more likeable (to me) if he played the position more aggressively. He plays timid, though, and it sticks out.

As an example, watch how Oscar Tshiebwe plays the position in this UK/Duke game. Now ON has a fraction of the natural talent Tshiebwe has, but the energy and effort that Tshiebwe plays with is infectious. He rebounds like his life depends on it. If ON would do that, he'd grab a lot more boards, and not just the ones that come to him.

 

[Vol49er]

As an example, watch how Oscar Tshiebwe plays the position in this UK/Duke game. Now ON has a fraction of the natural talent Tshiebwe has, but the energy and effort that Tshiebwe plays with is infectious. He rebounds like his life depends on it. If ON would do that, he'd grab a lot more boards, and not just the ones that come to him.

100%. I’ve been watching this game in terror thinking about what Tshiebwe is going to do to our guys on the boards. Need to go at him and try and get him in foul trouble early

 

[cncchris33]

100%. I’ve been watching this game in terror thinking about what Tshiebwe is going to do to our guys on the boards. Need to go at him and try and get him in foul trouble early

Yep

 

[The Dog]

I know what you mean about playing timid with ON, you can't help but see it. I thought BHH should have been more aggressive, but I will give him a pass, since it was his first college game ever. But, I felt like he could get to the hole any time he wanted and could have hit the boards a little harder, but I think that will come, very soon. I was really kinda surprised how tall BHH was, I knew he was listed as 6'10, but for some reason, maybe because of his game, thought he was more like 6-8/9ish, but naw, well-built 6'10. I have high hopes for this kid and if I'm right, with everyone we have around him and Chandler, I can see this team achieving great things. But hell, it's a new season, what else am I going to say ?

 

[cncchris33]

100%. I’ve been watching this game in terror thinking about what Tshiebwe is going to do to our guys on the boards. Need to go at him and try and get him in foul trouble early

15 points and 15 rebounds, so far. Ughhhhh...

Edit: finished with 17 pts and 19 rebs (12 ORebs). Outside of Tshiebwe, the two teams only combine for 13 ORebs. So, Tshiebwe almost outrebounded both teams, combined, by himself on the offensive glass.

 

[Vol49er]

15 points and 15 rebounds, so far. Ughhhhh...

Yeah dude is a beast. Fortunately I felt Kentucky was pretty underwhelming other than him. Even adjusting for competition I’m taking our guards over Kentucky’s seven days of the week. Keion Brooks will play better though, I think tonight will be once of the quietest nights of his season

 

[cardvolfan]

I stand by what I said. He did better rebounding than he has in the past and he turned up his play in the second half but he still missed out on A LOT of boards he should’ve had, and this is against UT Martin

I agree. Better 2nd half, but his motor and lack of aggressiveness at times holds him back.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Fulk could certainly stand to rebound better himself, but I think he adds a lot more than ON in pretty much every other area

Absolutely, and I’m not advocating for ON to be playing more than Fulk, but criticism ON’s rebounding on a night that he grabbed 14 rebounds just seems strange to me. Fulky has never gathered 14 rebounds, Plav either, or Anosike or Pons, Alexander did it once…I get it’s UT-Martin but all those guys also played their fair share of similar teams over the years, 14 rebounds is impressive, crapping on it just seems like a preconceived opinion on a player much like those who dog Vescovi regardless of his performance.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I have kinda flipped a switch on him and joined your side, idk why I just got really frustrated watching him play tonight after all the talk he’d be better. The same tantalizing flashes are there but he didn’t look like he’d put it together still for me. Wouldn’t be so noticeable if we didn’t dump it down to him as often as we did, hopefully that changes

I feel like in general I was more pessimistic about the team than most through the offseason and maybe that’s affecting how I saw this game bc I don’t feel as great about the showing as most seem to

27m 11pts 14rbd 2stl 2blk 1to 40%fg 33%3pt 100%ft


I’m not sure what your projection was for him this game but if it was more than that then maybe that’s on you?

 

[golfballs]

That’s true to an extent, I prefer ON to Uros. But I think ON really struggles to contribute on offense if he’s at the 4 and doesn’t rebound well enough to be the 5. I think his minutes should be minimized as much as possible in favor of BHH or even JJJ at the 4 minutes

ORN had 14 rebounds last night. If he can rebound like that and doesn’t turn it over on offense then he’ll earn playing time.

 

[walkenvol]

Your logic is sound and I’m not diminishing his stats. I did however watch that game and was left thinking he could have done much more with a higher level of intensity? Maybe he’s a player who out produces the eye test

 

[bleedingTNorange]

100%. I’ve been watching this game in terror thinking about what Tshiebwe is going to do to our guys on the boards. Need to go at him and try and get him in foul trouble early

You do what teams have done to us, you have a 5 man who can shoot and take him off the dribble and you put him in switches.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

As an example, watch how Oscar Tshiebwe plays the position in this UK/Duke game. Now ON has a fraction of the natural talent Tshiebwe has, but the energy and effort that Tshiebwe plays with is infectious. He rebounds like his life depends on it. If ON would do that, he'd grab a lot more boards, and not just the ones that come to him.

How many should ON have had last night, 25?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Your logic is sound and I’m not diminishing his stats. I did however watch that game and was left thinking he could have done much more with a higher level of intensity? Maybe he’s a player who out produces the eye test

Seems like a guy that many already have an opinion on and it’s going to take much more than is probably fair to change that.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

It’s strange we are calling ON timid and calling for BHH yet ON rebounded at about twice the rate as BHH…I don’t think there’s anyone doubting/questioning who has the higher ceiling but it’s not as if BHH was out there dominating his time on the floor and playing super aggressive, and we all know Barnes trusts experience.

 

[cncchris33]

How many should ON have had last night, 25?

You’re a fool if you think my opinion is based solely on last night. You’re also a fool if you think last night was an overall reflection of the way Nkamhoua has played, particularly rebounded, throughout his career.

But you already know the truth about those two things.

The guy is 6-8, 230 lbs, and is a career 2.3 rpg guy, so far. Maybe he turns it around, and last night is a sign of things to come. I clearly gave him credit for the work he did last night, but stop carrying water for him as if that were a reflection of the player he’s been thru two seasons.