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walkenvol said:
I was assuming UP was out when Fulky returned
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Even so they aren’t playing just BHH & Fulky at the 4/5, that’s 80 minutes…those 3 guys and JJJ will get those minutes, and seeing how Barnes gets frustrated easily with freshman I’m sure BHH will remain on a short leash.
 
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Doesn’t change
my opinion that ON is more likely to see around 20 minutes or less a game vs 30 once BHH settles in. JMO obviously
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Unless JJJ is going to play a bunch of 4 I’m not sure how much BHH eats into ON’s minutes…I think Plav is the odd man out. Not sure I see Barnes consistently giving 30+mpg to BHH, imo.
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Yes. Everybody best get their fill of Uros watching in now. He won’t be getting too much PT unless injuries and redshirts add up. Might could get some minutes if future opponents have a lot of Purdue-like clodhoppers in their lineups.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Noted and that was my point…sure seemed you, and definitely @Vol49er were talking as though 6/7 just wouldn’t do it either, which was going to be my next post…I’m seeing a season from him in which he’s around 20-23mpg 6-8ppg 6-8rpg and to me that’s totally fine, but it was coming off as though if he doesn’t go out and averaged 8ppg 15rpg like OT from Kentucky then he’s horrible and should be benched. To me the stat line in which I posted would be an important player on this team and a guy that definitely is a key component and well worth a scholarship.
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I really struggle to see where you ever came up with the expectation from me that ON average 8 and 15.

Here are the facts…
1.) I’ve never been his biggest fan, and I’ve never hidden from that claim.
2.) I admitted, dare I even say “defended” his rebounding effort to a degree, last night, in what has certainly been a game of exceptions relative to his overall career.
3.) I believe his rebounding numbers were slightly inflated due to the amount that he just gathered off the floor and/or unchallenged.
4.) I used Oscar Tshiebwe as an example of someone who attacks rebounds like his life depended on it, and that if Nkamhoua could model that same intensity and aggression on the boards, he’d likely consistently come up with a few more in traffic, himself.

I never placed the onus on ON that he replicate Tshiebwe’s numbers, and certainly not that he average 8 and 15. That seemed to be more of you reading what you wanted and less of what was actually there, at least from me. And the irony is that you’re initial beef was with a post I didn’t even make.
 
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Just because ORN doesn't gesture and pound his chest and pump his fists doesn't mean he isn't playing with intensity, or doesn't care about the outcome. He may just be a guy that keeps his emotions calm.
 
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youcancallmeAl said:
Just because ORN doesn't gesture and pound his chest and pump his fists doesn't mean he isn't playing with intensity, or doesn't care about the outcome. He may just be a guy that keeps his emotions calm.
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Coincidentally, even if he did gesture and pound his chest and pump his fists, it still wouldn't necessarily mean he rebounded (my exact word) with intensity because those two ideas aren't mutually exclusive. And no one ever even suggested he didn't care about the outcome.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Coincidentally, even if he did gesture and pound his chest and pump his fists, it still wouldn't necessarily mean he rebounded (my exact word) with intensity because those two ideas aren't mutually exclusive.
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? Are you saying he must not show emotion in order to rebound with intensity? He got 14 last night without screaming and yelling and pumping his fist.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I really struggle to see where you ever came up with the expectation from me that ON average 8 and 15.

Here are the facts…
1.) I’ve never been his biggest fan, and I’ve never hidden from that claim.
2.) I admitted, dare I even say “defended” his rebounding effort to a degree, last night, in what has certainly been a game of exceptions relative to his overall career.
3.) I believe his rebounding numbers were slightly inflated due to the amount that he just gathered off the floor and/or unchallenged.
4.) I used Oscar Tshiebwe as an example of someone who attacks rebounds like his life depended on it, and that if Nkamhoua could model that same intensity and aggression on the boards, he’d likely consistently come up with a few more in traffic, himself.

I never placed the onus on ON that he replicate Tshiebwe’s numbers, and certainly not that he average 8 and 15. That seemed to be more of you reading what you wanted and less of what was actually there, at least from me. And the irony is that you’re initial beef was with a post I didn’t even make.
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You could apply number 4 to literally anybody on our team, yet your singling out ORN for no particular reason. Maybe it’s more number 1 for you and a lot of other posters.

Nothing wrong with letting a kid get better from year to year instead of judging his career after 2 years. He clearly has the athleticism to play in the sec, and reports are he’s been good this off-season. Comes out game one and puts up a double double.

Let’s at least see what happens the first month or two of the season before making judgements based off past coupe years. Plenty of minutes to go around for ORN/Fulky/BHH/JJJ anyway.
 
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ndubvols said:
You could apply number 4 to literally anybody on our team, yet your singling out ORN for no particular reason. Maybe it’s more number 1 for you and a lot of other posters.

Nothing wrong with letting a kid get better from year to year instead of judging his career after 2 years. He clearly has the athleticism to play in the sec, and reports are he’s been good this off-season. Comes out game one and puts up a double double.

Let’s at least see what happens the first month or two of the season before making judgements based off past coupe years. Plenty of minutes to go around for ORN/Fulky/BHH/JJJ anyway.
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Yes, and I think Uros will have a role to play as well. He's not a world-beater, but I think he has improved, and will get a few minutes in most games. It may change against better competition, but he seems to have a shot that is hard to block, and it goes in now, as well.
 
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ndubvols said:
You could apply number 4 to literally anybody on our team, yet your singling out ORN for no particular reason. Maybe it’s more number 1 for you and a lot of other posters.

Except that I've had an issue with Nkamhoua's inability to rebound at a respectable level for a kid his size for two years now. When is it acceptable to question him? And no, you couldn't apply #4 to anyone on the team and have a respectable argument. Tshiebwe and Nkamhoua play the same position, are roughly the same size, and all I really even need to see out of ON is an uptick in rebounding, which Tshiebwe does really well. I wouldn't make that same claim and comparison for Kennedy Chandler, or Santiago Vescovi, or Victor Bailey, etc., because it would make no sense to do so.

Nothing wrong with letting a kid get better from year to year instead of judging his career after 2 years. He clearly has the athleticism to play in the sec, and reports are he’s been good this off-season. Comes out game one and puts up a double double.

Again, for the 12th time it feels like, I gave him credit for stepping up in game 1.

Let’s at least see what happens the first month or two of the season before making judgements based off past coupe years. Plenty of minutes to go around for ORN/Fulky/BHH/JJJ anyway.

I'm not suggesting he be benched or anything, but when is it OK to question a player's ability to perform? Clearly not halfway thru his career to some of you. I have a feeling that the ones of you defending his poor play through 2 years will still be here in year 4 defending his poor play if he doesn't step it up while I can guarantee you that I'll be at the front of the line to say I was wrong if he parlays his game 1 performance into a more consistent effort and concentration on the boards. And, again, I'm not asking that 14 rebounds be his seasonal average. Give me half that on a nightly basis. That isn't asking a lot for a 6-8, 230 LB player that isn't going to be a main source of point scoring.
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Any stats in the game against UT Martin should be taken with a grain of salt. That was a high school roster. They seem we'll coached and had a good offensive system but those guys wouldn't be competitive in a church league. No talent or size. Our post players should have had their way. My very early observation is that this team's guards will take us as far as we are going this year. Thank God that college basketball is a guard driven sport these days.
 
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ColinS said:
Any stats in the game against UT Martin should be taken with a grain of salt. That was a high school roster. They seem we'll coached and had a good offensive system but those guys wouldn't be competitive in a church league. No talent or size. Our post players should have had their way. My very early observation is that this team's guards will take us as far as we are going this year. Thank God that college basketball is a guard driven sport these days.
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I think that definitely applies to their front court, but I thought a couple of their backcourt players were pretty nice players for that level, especially the kid from Troy (KJ Simon #2) and the kid from South Alabama (KK Curry #0). Curry is listed as a forward, but plays mostly on the wing.

Curry actually is from Cleveland, TN, and played for BMaze Elite. He is also the older brother of Tray Curry, who was a class of 2021 kid that was committed to VA Tech for football, but was allegedly dropped by the Hokies due to off-field issues (grades, I think).

Back to your point, their front court was pretty non-existent. Their best "big man" continually floated on the perimeter on offense, and actually led the team in 3-pt shooting, hitting 3-5 from deep. He only managed to collect 2 rebounds, though. Curry actually led the team with 11 boards.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Even so they aren’t playing just BHH & Fulky at the 4/5, that’s 80 minutes…those 3 guys and JJJ will get those minutes, and seeing how Barnes gets frustrated easily with freshman I’m sure BHH will remain on a short leash.
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I think we eventually find that our best lineup is with JJJ at the 4. This team just seems like a small ball team.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I think that definitely applies to their front court, but I thought a couple of their backcourt players were pretty nice players for that level, especially the kid from Troy (KJ Simon #2) and the kid from South Alabama (KK Curry #0). Curry is listed as a forward, but plays mostly on the wing.

Curry actually is from Cleveland, TN, and played for BMaze Elite. He is also the older brother of Tray Curry, who was a class of 2021 kid that was committed to VA Tech for football, but was allegedly dropped by the Hokies due to off-field issues (grades, I think).

Back to your point, their front court was pretty non-existent. Their best "big man" continually floated on the perimeter on offense, and actually led the team in 3-pt shooting, hitting 3-5 from deep. He only managed to collect 2 rebounds, though. Curry actually led the team with 11 boards.
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I mean they had a couple of guys that could play a little. I guess everyone does. This is an easy 50 point victory if we come out defending and rebounding.
 
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ColinS said:
I mean they had a couple of guys that could play a little. I guess everyone does. This is an easy 50 point victory if we come out defending and rebounding.
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Defense was pretty suspect, certainly. UTM just hit some early shots, too, though. They cooled off in the second half, considerably. I think they were around 55% in the 1st, and then 35% in the 2nd.

Also, being that they had zero returning players, a new coach (whose team at Bethune-Cookman didn't play, last year), it was probably a very difficult scout in our first game out. Honestly, I won't be completely shocked to see UTM have a decent season considering all they're up against.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Defense was pretty suspect, certainly. UTM just hit some early shots, too, though. They cooled off in the second half, considerably. I think they were around 55% in the 1st, and then 35% in the 2nd.

Also, being that they had zero returning players, a new coach (whose team at Bethune-Cookman didn't play, last year), it was probably a very difficult scout in our first game out. Honestly, I won't be completely shocked to see UTM have a decent season considering all they're up against.
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They were actually better than I expected. I would guess they will win some games in their conference, maybe more than predicted.
 
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ColinS said:
I think we eventually find that our best lineup is with JJJ at the 4. This team just seems like a small ball team.
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100% agree. Although I think BHH and JJJ should toggle a lot of that time. If they would move VB to the 3 between him and Powell I think we’d be set at the 3 so JJJs minute wouldn’t be as necessary there. I realize VB would be undersized defensively at the 3 but he gets beat off the dribble quite a bit at the 2 and teams rarely post up mismatches anymore. So, all that to say I agree
 
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I thought ON did a nice job rebounding and the three point stroke looked good but he still has no post game to speak of and still looks lost on defense. BHH is better and should play more. Then when Fulk comes back I’d have ON off the bench for 15-20 mpg.
 
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