Tee Martin in 1998

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BernardKingGOAT said:
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Yup. First one we scored zero. I dont believe Manning played in that game. The second one was the famous 30-14 lead which almost instantly became a 62-37 loss. Third one we scored 29 meaningless points after getting quickly smoked in the first half to the tune of 35-0. Last one only 14 points. All four were embarrassing beatdowns for a team going through a “Decade of Dominance”.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Only if you like championships lol. Trent Dilfer has the same amount of rings that Aaron Rodgers has. But then put in the stats and the gap becomes insurmountable.

The problem I have with Tee is the same I have with Clausen. They both somehow achieved mythical status for what? Your statements make it sound like Tee won the championship. He didn’t. Again look at his stats. They are JG level. Sorry but facts are facts.

Let’s be real the UF teams Peyton played were better. If you wanna bring up Peyton let’s do. Bring the stats. 1995 as a true sophomore against UF, we have the lead at the half. Our vaunted defense gives up 41 points in the second half. Guess how many times the 98 defense gave up 41 points in a whole game? ZERO.

So in your estimation Tee was better than Peyton because he was on a team they won a NC right?
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Tee didn’t win the Natty by himself and yes I pick the ‘98 season and Tee M as my favorite Team & QB ever.

I expect Nico to join him. If not I will still be a fan of Nico (as long as he plays for the good guys) just as I am a fan of Peyton.

Go Vols!
 
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n_huffhines said:
I think some people just don't remember what the 90's were like....Tee only threw for 2300 yards?...so did Shuler, and he was a #2 pick. We've had 25 years of video game stats in CFB and we no longer understand what it meant to have a game manager who was a run threat, could throw a deep ball, and hit outside the numbers. He had 3 elite RB's and an elite line and we ran most of the time and won every game.

The 55% is not a result of inaccuracy. It's a result of the role. It's really not that easy to stay in a rhythm and hit 68% when you only throw 5x per quarter and you're not throwing quick slants against LB's in the spread. In this role, a disproportionate number of throws are throwaways and deep balls.

Michael Vick is maybe the best CFB QB I ever saw and he didn't throw for 2,000 or 60%
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You seriously think Vick is the greatest CFB QB ever? My god. Athlete? Maybe, but QB?

But going with that, Vick had nearly double the rushing yards Martin had, on only 8 more attempts. That still doesn't make him a great QB, though. Milton has 25 fewer rushes than Martin, but almost 50 more yards. Fact is, you put Martin with his stats on last year's team, you're running him out of town. People were PISSED at Milton for his 11 of 22, 100 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, and 34 yards rushing against A&M. Yet Martin is praised for his 7 of 20, 64 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 25 yards rushing against Florida?
 
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whobethis16 said:
You seriously think Vick is the greatest CFB QB ever? My god. Athlete? Maybe, but QB?

But going with that, Vick had nearly double the rushing yards Martin had, on only 8 more attempts. That still doesn't make him a great QB, though. Milton has 25 fewer rushes than Martin, but almost 50 more yards. Fact is, you put Martin with his stats on last year's team, you're running him out of town. People were PISSED at Milton for his 11 of 22, 100 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, and 34 yards rushing against A&M. Yet Martin is praised for his 7 of 20, 64 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 25 yards rushing against Florida?
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Not everybody saw Vick's natty game. He showed it all.

I don't even know how you can compare him to Milton. Totally different offense. Going 11 for 22 with 100 yards today in this system is completely different from doing it in 1998 in the old system
 
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n_huffhines said:
Not everybody saw Vick's natty game. He showed it all.

I don't even know how you can compare him to Milton. Totally different offense. Going 11 for 22 with 100 yards today in this system is completely different from doing it in 1998 in the old system
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Including 2 fumbles.

The old system was dropback QB with throwing abilities that changed to "we don't have a QB that can throw with real consistency, so we have to do patchwork to have success".

In the SEC in 1998, Martin was 7th in completions, 7th in attempts, 4th in %, 6th in yards, 4th in y/a, 3rd in ay/a, 4th in TDs, 5th in rate.
In the SEC in 1999, Martin was 5th in completions, 6th in attempts, 7th in %, 4th in yards, tied for 1st in y/a, tied for 1st in ay/a, 6th in TDs, 6th in rate.

Martin was the beneficiary of having a stacked backfield, Peerless Price for a deep threat, and a monster defense. The man had 9 games out of 25 started where he threw for 50% or less. Of those 9, he rushed for 80 yards, 25, -18, 8, 20, -20, 7, 43, 32. Milton's worst game had a combined 134 yards. Martin's worst was a combined 50 yards, when he went 5 of 14 for 68 yards with -18 rushing. For a rushing QB, Martin had 5 games with negative rushing yards. Milton had 1.

People are blinded by nostalgia and just can't accept that sometimes were mediocre but came along at the right time and took advantage of the opportunity.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Including 2 fumbles.

The old system was dropback QB with throwing abilities that changed to "we don't have a QB that can throw with real consistency, so we have to do patchwork to have success".

In the SEC in 1998, Martin was 7th in completions, 7th in attempts, 4th in %, 6th in yards, 4th in y/a, 3rd in ay/a, 4th in TDs, 5th in rate.
In the SEC in 1999, Martin was 5th in completions, 6th in attempts, 7th in %, 4th in yards, tied for 1st in y/a, tied for 1st in ay/a, 6th in TDs, 6th in rate.

Martin was the beneficiary of having a stacked backfield, Peerless Price for a deep threat, and a monster defense. The man had 9 games out of 25 started where he threw for 50% or less. Of those 9, he rushed for 80 yards, 25, -18, 8, 20, -20, 7, 43, 32. Milton's worst game had a combined 134 yards. Martin's worst was a combined 50 yards, when he went 5 of 14 for 68 yards with -18 rushing. For a rushing QB, Martin had 5 games with negative rushing yards. Milton had 1.

People are blinded by nostalgia and just can't accept that sometimes were mediocre but came along at the right time and took advantage of the opportunity.
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Are these season stats supposed to be dogging him? I don't even understand what the point is? If he's 7th in attempts, 6th in yards, and 4th in TD's, that sounds like he's playing his role pretty well.

Martin was the beneficiary of a great team? OK, what is the point? Which SEC title QB's didn't have a great team? Peyton's team wasn't any less stacked. Neither was Casey Clausen's. Tee is the one who did the damn thing. Why should he be faulted for not passing more with that cast when they scored 49, 37, 28, 59, and 41 in the back half of the season, and then 24 and 23 in title games?

I am a Peyton guy, but Tee beat Florida and he didn't lose to a Memphis at home or any of that ****. He was great. Not better than Peyton. IDK what you're actually trying to argue. That he sucked? That he wasn't good? What are you saying?
 
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Jamal was a big reason we beat auburn before his acl injury, our pick 6,and our goal line stand, our D was nasty in 98
In 99 alot of our players were looking ahead to the NFL, Florida knowing our snap count, Ark paid us back by winning with the same score we beat them with in 98
 
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UTblood4life said:
Jamal was a big reason we beat auburn before his acl injury, our pick 6,and our goal line stand, our D was nasty in 98
In 99 alot of our players were looking ahead to the NFL, Florida knowing our snap count, Ark paid us back by winning with the same score we beat them with in 98
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We donated Arkansas that win. Up 24-14 late in 3rd quarter, defense gave up two inexplicable long TD passes and offense quit moving the ball. Heck, even Arkansas first score was a gift - pick 6.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Are these season stats supposed to be dogging him? I don't even understand what the point is? If he's 7th in attempts, 6th in yards, and 4th in TD's, that sounds like he's playing his role pretty well.

Martin was the beneficiary of a great team? OK, what is the point? Which SEC title QB's didn't have a great team? Peyton's team wasn't any less stacked. Neither was Casey Clausen's. Tee is the one who did the damn thing. Why should he be faulted for not passing more with that cast when they scored 49, 37, 28, 59, and 41 in the back half of the season, and then 24 and 23 in title games?

I am a Peyton guy, but Tee beat Florida and he didn't lose to a Memphis at home or any of that ****. He was great. Not better than Peyton. IDK what you're actually trying to argue. That he sucked? That he wasn't good? What are you saying?
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The 94-97 defenses were no near 98/99. Not even close.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Are these season stats supposed to be dogging him? I don't even understand what the point is? If he's 7th in attempts, 6th in yards, and 4th in TD's, that sounds like he's playing his role pretty well.

Martin was the beneficiary of a great team? OK, what is the point? Which SEC title QB's didn't have a great team? Peyton's team wasn't any less stacked. Neither was Casey Clausen's. Tee is the one who did the damn thing. Why should he be faulted for not passing more with that cast when they scored 49, 37, 28, 59, and 41 in the back half of the season, and then 24 and 23 in title games?

I am a Peyton guy, but Tee beat Florida and he didn't lose to a Memphis at home or any of that ****. He was great. Not better than Peyton. IDK what you're actually trying to argue. That he sucked? That he wasn't good? What are you saying?
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I'm arguing, with a lot of stats, that he was mediocre but did the job necessary, and that's that. How many other QBs had a 3-punch as good as Lewis, Henry, Stephens and the defense that gave up 20+ points only 3 times? It's much easier to get wins when you don't HAVE to score 35 points a game to do so. That 2001 defense gave up 20+ 6 times. The 1997 defense gave up 20+ 8 times. 1996 gave up 20+ 4 times. 1999 gave up 20+ 5 times.

But are you really saying putting up 49 on a 1-10 SC team, 37 on a 4-7 UAB team, and 41 on a 2-9 Vandy team is something to write home about? Martin went 2-3 in 1999 when the defense gave up 20+ points, one of those being a 6-6 Kentucky team.
 
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whobethis16 said:
I'm arguing, with a lot of stats, that he was mediocre but did the job necessary, and that's that. How many other QBs had a 3-punch as good as Lewis, Henry, Stephens and the defense that gave up 20+ points only 3 times? It's much easier to get wins when you don't HAVE to score 35 points a game to do so. That 2001 defense gave up 20+ 6 times. The 1997 defense gave up 20+ 8 times. 1996 gave up 20+ 4 times. 1999 gave up 20+ 5 times.

But are you really saying putting up 49 on a 1-10 SC team, 37 on a 4-7 UAB team, and 41 on a 2-9 Vandy team is something to write home about? Martin went 2-3 in 1999 when the defense gave up 20+ points, one of those being a 6-6 Kentucky team.
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Lewis went out for the season after Auburn early in the year. In pressurized games, Martin was better than Dobbs
 
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GAVol said:
I wouldn't call Tee Martin a game manager as much as just a QB that had to be managed. That’s not a shot at him. He just was what he was- a QB that made some key plays, probably had an elite deep ball, but not one you wanted to consistently put in tough spots.
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But that pass TEE completed to David Martin at the gumps in 99.... wow!

9'00"
 
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