Tenn. Senate OKs Bill To Allow Anti-Evolution Talk In Classrooms

[Gramps]

From a purely academic standpoint...my son is in 4th grade. If he were to transfer to public school next year he would go to 7th (if we allowed it) the ratio of teachers to students is 18 to 1 and the curriculum is years ahead of public schools. Calif. End of year tests placed him in the 7th to 8th grade category in every core subject at the end of last year. (3rd) it is clearly superior.
From a moral standpoint, my values, it is infinitely superior. They begin each day in prayer and have chapel twice a week. My
son got saved in 1st grade, of his own free will, and to my embarrassment knows more scripture than I do. I have no regrets about his schooling. I regret what other children are taught.

i have a grandson in the 2nd grade, going to public school. His class has 18 students.

 

[rjd970]

You are wrong. It is being taught as fact. Watch the video

Creation Science Evangelism is website or dr.dino.com

Video is "lies in the textbooks"

No it's not. The fact that the words creation and science are used back to back is telling. Instead of watching a video, I would suggest opening a college level text book and understand how a theory is taught.

And, for the third time, what scientific alternatives do you suggest be taught?

Why no issue with gravitational theory being taught as "fact"?

 

[marcusluvsvols]

No it's not. The fact that the words creation and science are used back to back is telling. Instead of watching a video, I would suggest opening a college level text book and understand how a theory is taught.

And, for the third time, what scientific alternatives do you suggest be taught?

Why no issue with gravitational theory being taught as "fact"?

There is not a "scientific" alternative for the origin of life. None. Creation is not scientific in that regard and neither is evolution. Evolution as it pertains to the origin of life is a belef, a religion. It completely abandons the scientific method and draws conclusions for which there is absolutely no hard evidence. It takes just as much faith and imagination for you to believe you came from a rock as it takes for me to believe I came from Adam.

 

[wilrob75]

On a side note, big gubbament needs to stay out of the science business. jmho tifwiw

 

[JokermanVol]

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[DinkinFlicka]

Eh. He is right to a degree. Science (evolution) requires faith too. Problem is that it is a different kind of faith.

Not really since faith is defined by a complete and utter trust in something. I still think evolution is only a theory, although I think it's the best one out there. I see what you're getting at but faith is, by definition, 100% trust.

Not Marcus but I am a " born again" christian.

I do spend my life believing in God in , your words, " hopes of eternal salvation".

When I am dead and gone, if I am wrong about God and my etrnal salvation, I have lost nothing. I will never know.

On the other hand if you are wrong, you will know and will suffer for eternity, you have lost everything. If you are right you will never know. I am assuming you do not believe in God per your post.

Whoa, this took me back to Sophomore year in my intro to philosophy class.

Anyway, one could argue that you wasted a lot of time, energy, and devotion if you were wrong. If I am wrong, on the other hand, would God make me suffer simply for going along with the available evidence and the reasoning he gave me? This is a completely different topic, but in all his infinite wisdom I think he knows that there's more to a man's faith than fear of burning in hell.

 

[Stupified]

Not Marcus but I am a " born again" christian.

I do spend my life believing in God in , your words, " hopes of eternal salvation".

When I am dead and gone, if I am wrong about God and my etrnal salvation, I have lost nothing. I will never know.

On the other hand if you are wrong, you will know and will suffer for eternity, you have lost everything. If you are right you will never know. I am assuming you do not believe in God per your post.

Pascal's Wager is flawed because you can't rationalize your way into heaven (faith isn't rational). You either believe in God completely, with your heart, or you don't. You can't fool God to get into heaven.

 

[therealUT]

Pascal's Wager is flawed because you can't rationalize your way into heaven (faith isn't rational). You either believe in God completely, with your heart, or you don't. You can't fool God to get into heaven.

So, doubt (even the most minute doubt) will bar someone from heaven?

 

[Rockytop1018]

For the life of me, I have never understood why everyone gets so frickin' butthurt over this topic. If the answer to a question is "maybe" such as does God exist, I see no reason whatsoever for people to become so hostile trying to prove something that can't be proven.

 

[Stupified]

So, doubt (even the most minute doubt) will bar someone from heaven?

What I mean is to get into heaven you must inherently believe in God, and do all of the things the Bible says is required. Blaise Pascal chose to do all of the things required (because he reasoned the payoffs were greater than the punishment), but you can't fool your mind into believing in a god when you really don't.

And that is the traditional Christian belief, not mine.

 

[therealUT]

What I mean is to get into heaven you must inherently believe in God, and do all of the things the Bible says is required. Blaise Pascal chose to do all of the things required (because he reasoned the payoffs were greater than the punishment), but you can't fool your mind into believing in a god when you really don't.

And that is the traditional Christian belief, not mine.

If one inherently believes in God, then they believe in God by nature; thus, if one does not inherently believe in God, then they do not believe in God by nature. If God is the creator, it is God who would be solely responsible for these inherent positions; thus, everyone's place is determined prior to the beginning of their life. So, if God has chosen you, you believe, and you are rewarded; yet, you are rewarded not for your own merit but merely in the way in which you were formed; while others are punished, not because they have done anything to deserve punishment, but merely because they were born that way. Are you sure you want to use the word "inherent"? If so, then your God is *******.

What does the Bible say is required? I have read it plenty of times, yet it is highly inconsistent. Should I keep women from talking in church and from teaching boys? Or, should I treat them like I would want to be treated (I would want to be allowed to speak my mind wherever and whenever I please)?

You are correct, you cannot believe, no matter how much you may wish to believe, if you do not believe. Yet, you are saying that salvation relies on such belief (on something that is completely out of one's control); does that sound just?

 

[Stupified]

The New Testament, and the traditional Christian doctrine, says that you must believe in God and accept Jesus as the Christ - your savior - and that's it.

I think you're preaching to the wrong choir though. I am not a Christian or a follower of the Christian god, and therefore not the best person to defend the Christian faith.

 

[therealUT]

The New Testament, and the traditional Christian doctrine, says that you must believe in God and accept Jesus as the Christ - your savior - and that's it.

I think you're preaching to the wrong choir though. I am not a Christian or a follower of the Christian god, and therefore not the best person to defend the Christian faith.

The New Testament also quotes Jesus as saying that those who are not against him are for him; basically, a negative affirmation of belief.