Tennessee All Decade Team.

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#51
It's improbable that Barnes will see a carload of his players arrested. I'll be surprised if Grant murders anybody.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
I think Barnes has had more DNP guys in his tenure already than Pearl did, I was actually a bit surprised myself.

Pearl Classes
2005 - Matthew Dotson
2006 - Marques Johnson
2007 - N/A
2008 - Philip Jurick & Daniel West
2009 - N/A
2010 - N/A

So in his 6 classes while at UT Pearl only had 4 players that didn't suit up for UT, and only 1 player who was a 1 & done in Tobias Harris

Barnes has thus far had these "misses" in his 5 classes
Ray Kasongo
Jabari McGhee
Kwe Parker
Zach Kent
Derrick Walker
Chris Darrington
D.J. Burns
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Are you counting misses or DNP?
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
I think Barnes has had more DNP guys in his tenure already than Pearl did, I was actually a bit surprised myself.

Pearl Classes
2005 - Matthew Dotson
2006 - Marques Johnson
2007 - N/A
2008 - Philip Jurick & Daniel West
2009 - N/A
2010 - N/A

So in his 6 classes while at UT Pearl only had 4 players that didn't suit up for UT, and only 1 player who was a 1 & done in Tobias Harris

Barnes has thus far had these "misses" in his 5 classes
Ray Kasongo
Jabari McGhee
Kwe Parker
Zach Kent
Derrick Walker
Chris Darrington
D.J. Burns
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Major Wingate
Matthew Dotson
Duke Crews
Ramar Smith
Marques Johnson
Josh Tabb
Phillip Jurick
Daniel West
Kenny Hall
 
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Major Wingate was a Buzz guy.

I mentioned the only 4 guys Pearl recruited who were misses. The rest may have under performed or had discipline issues but still had better numbers than even Derrick Walker.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Major Wingate was a Buzz guy.

I mentioned the only 4 guys Pearl recruited who were misses. The rest may have under performed or had discipline issues but still had better numbers than even Derrick Walker.
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Yet you listed guys that were Tyndall recruits? Kinda double standard no?
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
I think Barnes has had more DNP guys in his tenure already than Pearl did, I was actually a bit surprised myself.

Pearl Classes
2005 - Matthew Dotson
2006 - Marques Johnson
2007 - N/A
2008 - Philip Jurick & Daniel West
2009 - N/A
2010 - N/A

So in his 6 classes while at UT Pearl only had 4 players that didn't suit up for UT, and only 1 player who was a 1 & done in Tobias Harris

Barnes has thus far had these "misses" in his 5 classes
Ray Kasongo
Jabari McGhee
Kwe Parker
Zach Kent
Derrick Walker
Chris Darrington
D.J. Burns
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Duke Crews, Ramar Smith, Renaldo Woolridge, Kenny Hall. All were busts for one reason or another.

And Barnes inherited Jabari McGhee. He didn't sign him.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
You’re right, he was in that lone Donnie class. My mistake.


Just 6 misses for Barnes then.
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I get what you’re trying to say but I don’t think it’s so cut and dry. Lots of factors involved that simplistic terms like bust, washout etc.. don’t tell the whole story.

Some coaches aggressively recruit with intention of generating attrition which allows them to stay aggressive recruiting by always having space. It’s a philosophy.

Some coaches are more strict with discipline. I think Pearl and Barnes are a good dichotomy there. Barnes would have never recruited or dismissed many Pearl players much earlier.

Sometimes it’s just variance and things outside your control.

I think it’s a hard thing to read in to or make comparisons with.
 
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So, I like year by year instead of just overall players. So I picked a player and the year they had for my team.

Starters
2015 Josh Richardson
2016 Kevin Punter
2019 Admiral Schofield
2019 Grant Williams
2014 Jarnell Stokes

Bench
2019 Jordan Bone
2014 Jordan McRae
2018 Lamonte Turner
2011 Scotty Hopson
2011 Tobias Harris
2012 Jeronne Maymon
2018 Kyle Alexander
 
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zjcvols said:
So, I like year by year instead of just overall players. So I picked a player and the year they had for my team.

Starters
2015 Josh Richardson
2016 Kevin Punter
2019 Admiral Schofield
2019 Grant Williams
2014 Jarnell Stokes

Bench
2019 Josh Bone
2014 Jordan McRae
2018 Lamonte Turner
2011 Scotty Hopson
2011 Tobias Harris
2012 Jeronne Maymon
2018 Kyle Alexander
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Josh Bone is a weird pick and the 2019 variant even weirder.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
You’re right, he was in that lone Donnie class. My mistake.


Just 6 misses for Barnes then.
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I think you’re splitting hairs if you wanna consider Darrington or Walker a miss but not a guy like Josh Tabb? Or even Ramar or Duke? Yes those guys were good, but your point is the negative effect of attrition, those guys leaving hurt our roster situations and they didn’t leave for the NBA.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I think you’re splitting hairs if you wanna consider Darrington or Walker a miss but not a guy like Josh Tabb? Or even Ramar or Duke? Yes those guys were good, but your point is the negative effect of attrition, those guys leaving hurt our roster situations and they didn’t leave for the NBA.
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Barnes has had worse attrition than Pearl, the numbers support this. It’s the only point I have made. I didn’t say Pearl didn’t have attrition, did I?

I love Barnes, but he hasn’t proven at UT yet to be a better recruiter than Pearl was when here. This debate started because I said for an all decade team I’d take Pearl’s recruiting & Barnes as the head coach...then using statistical data I supported my reasoning.

Hope this helps.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Barnes has had worse attrition than Pearl, the numbers support this. It’s the only point I have made.
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Not counting inherited players, guys who didn’t leave early for NBA...

Pearl in 4 years: Duke Crews, Ramar Smith, Marques Johnson, Josh Tabb, Brian Williams, Phillip Jurick, Daniel West, Kenny Hall.

Barnes in 4 years: Shembari Phillips, Ray Kasongo, Kwe Parker, Chris Darrington, Derrick Walker, Zach Kent, DJ Burns.


I count 8 departures for Pearl in 4 years and 7 for Barnes in 4 years?
 
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I think it comes down to preference of recruiting style. Barnes finds players that fit his system and have the character he wants for the program, Pearl finds playeres that fit his system or are so athletic that he finds a way to make his system fit them. Less of a focus on overall character of the player and more focus on his skills.

It's not wrong either way overall, you can be successful with both. Just depends on which style you prefer/like on if you think one is the better recruiter. I think the better argument for Barnes is that he's a better program builder. Pearl put together a better team quicker but Barnes seems intent to build UT Basketball program to be sustainable as an organization.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Not counting inherited players, guys who didn’t leave early for NBA...

Pearl in 4 years: Duke Crews, Ramar Smith, Marques Johnson, Josh Tabb, Brian Williams, Phillip Jurick, Daniel West, Kenny Hall.

Barnes in 4 years: Shembari Phillips, Ray Kasongo, Kwe Parker, Chris Darrington, Derrick Walker, Zach Kent, DJ Burns.


I count 8 departures for Pearl in 4 years and 7 for Barnes in 4 years?
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MoCo_Vol said:
Tyler - 113 Games at UT (29.8 mpg)
Ramar - 71 Games at UT (24.2 mpg)
Duke - 61 Games at UT (17.7 mpg)
Tabb - 96 Games at UT (15 mpg)
Passley - 17 Games at UT (6.8 mpg)

You're not wrong Pearl had issues with discipline, but those guys despite their issues at least contributed while at UT (except Passley).

Burns - 0 Games (0 mpg)
Kasongo - 22 Games (5.5 mpg)
Parker - 25 Games (8.1 mpg)
Kent - 4 Games (5.8 mpg)
Walker - 64 Games (7.2 mpg)
Darrington - 25 Games (8.4 mpg)

Those 6 misses by Barnes combined for a total of 142 games, whereas the "problem guys" you brought up combined for 358 games. It's something that's hindered Barnes' especially this season when we see how poor depth the team has, I think now that Barnes has gotten the support ($$$) fully though he'll be able to surpass Pearl's recruiting performance. I just hope he can hit more than he misses moving forward.
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As I already said...
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
As I already said...
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You stated Barnes had worse attrition than Pearl, I just proved that was incorrect, and that was even with forgetting Tyler Smith. If you wanna say that Pearl’s players who left were the better players then sure, but I’m also not sure that’s really a positive statement, that some of his best players departed while some of Barnes’ worst departed.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You stated Barnes had worse attrition than Pearl, I just proved that was incorrect, and that was even with forgetting Tyler Smith. If you wanna say that Pearl’s players who left were the better players then sure, but I’m also not sure that’s really a positive statement, that some of his best players departed while some of Barnes’ worst departed.
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No you didn’t...you revisited the same names I had already mentioned and added nothing close to anything except your opinion to counter the statistical proof I supplied that showed they did contribute while here.

You really got a high opinion of your opinion and that’s fine. But by the numbers, it’s hard to label guys who averaged 20 minutes a game for 60+ games as “misses” or even “bust” not a single one of the 6 guys from Barnes played in 65 games OR averaged even 10 mpg.

Pearl had plenty of disappointments here, but less attrition overall during his time as I proved with the stats I supplied you keep ignoring.
 
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