Tennessee considers withholding monoclonal antibody treatment from vaccinated citizens

[AshG]

That is actually an emergency. I'm speaking of all these people, non-covid related, that live in the ER, wasting resources, when there are walk in clinics and doctors offices available. I have never gone to the ER for the flu. If I'm not running a 104 temp, what are they gonna do outside my $800 bill.

Now we're on the same page. And I agree wholeheartedly.

 

[hog88]

If the hospital resources are limited and the choice is between a lung cancer patient who smokes and one that doesn't smoke. Sure street the smoker. Same diff with drinkers, in fact they do just this.

What about people that can't pay?

 

[ClearwaterVol]

What about people that can't pay?

That is completely separate issue. In my opinion, our health system would operate better on two different planes. Either do away with insurance and you only get the treatment you can pay for. Health care costs would plummet. I don't think America has the stomach to leave poor accident victims on the side of the road to die.

Or universal healthcare which would also cause healthcare costs to fall though not to the same low levels.

 

[GVF]

If the hospital resources are limited and the choice is between a lung cancer patient who smokes and one that doesn't smoke. Sure street the smoker. Same diff with drinkers, in fact they do just this.

A cancer patient is likely to be in a different section of the hospital. The cancer centers are normally their own wing away from the general population for immune system reasons. If one does come thru the ER, they will get moved to that ward. I fully understand triage decisions. If I'm in for a broke arm, I know I will not go in front of someone with half their scalp missing. But, you can only base triage decisions on the severity of the conditions, not what a person's personal status is.

 

[AshG]

What about people that can't pay?

People who can't pay must be allowed emergency services.

 

[LouderVol]

Oh I’ll still be helping to treat these people, because it’s what I signed up for, but I don’t have to like it and I don’t have to feel empathy when they are begging for help and taking up beds for people who actually need them (mainly the elderly).

Ah so the elderly making their own decisions and taxing the system doesnt matter. It's just the vaccination status that matters?

Remind me how this isnt about compliance and instead the health and safety of all involved?

Impfung macht frei.
Vaccination sets/makes you free.

 

[AshG]

. I don't think America has the stomach to leave poor accident victims on the side of the road to die.

Unfortunately, we both know that it would come to that at some point. With E Pluribus Unum becoming Me, Myself, and I and the increase in both short and long term disasters requiring aid, America is almost out of compassion.

 

[OHvol40]

Ah so the elderly making their own decisions and taxing the system doesnt matter. It's just the vaccination status that matters?

Remind me how this isnt about compliance and instead the health and safety of all involved?

Impfung macht frei.
Vaccination sets/makes you free.

Because the elderly aren’t voluntarily elderly, unvaccinated are voluntarily so against medical advice. Can you seriously not understand the difference or are you just grasping at straws just to justify a medical decision based on political identity?

 

[NorthDallas40]

1. This is wrong, only determination should be need. If it needs to be rationed, ration it based on need alone.
2. It will be funny to see the two sides argue their stances.
3. This is wrong.

First off I agree with your statement as presented.

Now if this is in response to the feds rationing out MAb like they did in Florida (they gave them half of their request and they have plenty stockpiled) the Feds are interfering with healthcare to start. If this is Tennessee’s reply to the same situation while it’s political tit for tat and can understand I still don’t like it.

 

[ENGRVOL]

The Tennessean

Due to a high use of monoclonal antibody treatments in southern states resulting in shortages, Tennessee is considering saving the treatments for the unvaccinated.

Can’t pull up the entire article but hope they also include as priority vaccinated patients who are severely immunocompromised such as transplants/active chemo because they often have harder time producing the antibody or t-cell immunity to the vaccines.

 

[southgatevol]

Because the elderly aren’t voluntarily elderly, unvaccinated are voluntarily so against medical advice. Can you seriously not understand the difference or are you just grasping at straws just to justify a medical decision based on political identity?

How is a person not voluntarily elderly? Can a person not end their existence when young?

 

[LouderVol]

That is completely separate issue. In my opinion, our health system would operate better on two different planes. Either do away with insurance and you only get the treatment you can pay for. Health care costs would plummet. I don't think America has the stomach to leave poor accident victims on the side of the road to die.

Or universal healthcare which would also cause healthcare costs to fall though not to the same low levels.

Lol to the last. There is a reason the NIH is under water. Low costs ain't the reason.

You are just pushing the same costs from the end user to those paying taxes. The same group that doesnt pay now, wont pay then. But those who may not need treatment are suddenly paying for healthcare they dont actively use.

 

[red butler]

I'm pretty sure the shortage has been artificially created by the Feds. It was a pretty big story in Texas when the gov stepped in and declared they would ration the amount each state can purchase. Texas wasn't having any supply chain issues prior, now they're experiencing shortages.

 

[tnmarktx]

I'm pretty sure the shortage has been artificially created by the Feds. It was a pretty big story in Texas when the gov stepped in and declared they would ration the amount each state can purchase. Texas wasn't having any supply chain issues prior, now they're experiencing shortages.

This should be the topic of discussion in this thread. The gov. has caused the situation by rationing the distribution of this treatment.

 

[Zues1]

Oh I’ll still be helping to treat these people, because it’s what I signed up for, but I don’t have to like it and I don’t have to feel empathy when they are begging for help and taking up beds for people who actually need them (mainly the elderly).

I get the feeling some in the industry would just walk down the hall and let someone suffer.

 

[LouderVol]

Because the elderly aren’t voluntarily elderly, unvaccinated are voluntarily so against medical advice. Can you seriously not understand the difference or are you just grasping at straws just to justify a medical decision based on political identity?

I am unvaxxed. And it's not against medical advice. My PCP and I have had many talks about this and she has admitted there is no medical reason for me to get the vaccine. I will trust in someone with direct knowledge of my personal health rather than some making general statements.

Age is factor, but hardly a leading one. The old usually have about 4 or 5 other issues which could be eliminated or avoided if they hadnt ignored medical advice.

If we are drawing a line on medical advice, let's draw that line, wherever it falls. Because as I keep saying you are worried about compliance, and not actual health.

 

[AthensVol2007]

The unvaccinated (who are not otherwise CONCLUSIVELY inoculated) that have “done the research” and “evaluated their risk” need to stop showing up at the ED with shortness of breath and sudden loss of taste & smell. You evaluated your risk, now keep your a** at home and take cough syrup and leave the ED beds for old ladies who broke their hips and heart attacks.

Can we tell the vaccinated to do the same? My coworker’s fully-vaxed 50 yr old husband was admitted yesterday and knowing his lifestyle and overall health, I won’t at all be surprised if we get word in a week that he’s passed away. She tested positive herself yesterday while admitting him and knowing her lifestyle and overall health, I won’t be shocked if she’s admitted within a week as well.

 

[RikidyBones]

That is completely separate issue. In my opinion, our health system would operate better on two different planes. Either do away with insurance and you only get the treatment you can pay for. Health care costs would plummet. I don't think America has the stomach to leave poor accident victims on the side of the road to die.

Or universal healthcare which would also cause healthcare costs to fall though not to the same low levels.

We have Biden choosing who gets antibodies based on nothing but politics and now you have Tennessee doing the same thing and you come on this website suggesting universal healthcare is an option to help?

 

[DancingOutlaw]

Is there a relationship between the sniffles and body weight because certainly there is a correlation between the unvaccinated and taking up hospital resources. The stupid decisions made are costing people their lives. Quite frankly, if you didn't believe the disease was serious enough to warrant the vaccine, I believe that hospital resources should be allocated to those whose poor decisions didn't land them in the hospital. If there is one bed and two patients... one unvaxed covid patient in dire need of medical care and the victim of a car accident in equal need of medical care the triage should be easy.

What if the accident victim wasn't wearing a seatbelt?
This is a stupid game to play.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I am unvaxxed. And it's not against medical advice. My PCP and I have had many talks about this and she has admitted there is no medical reason for me to get the vaccine. I will trust in someone with direct knowledge of my personal health rather than some making general statements.

Age is factor, but hardly a leading one. The old usually have about 4 or 5 other issues which could be eliminated or avoided if they hadnt ignored medical advice.

If we are drawing a line on medical advice, let's draw that line, wherever it falls. Because as I keep saying you are worried about compliance, and not actual health.

That is what this is all about from so many we keep getting preached at by. They discount the numbers in the healthcare industry that propose personal choice with your PCP as it doesn’t fit the narrative. All it does is make me tune out more.

 

[RikidyBones]

First off I agree with your statement as presented.

Now if this is in response to the feds rationing out MAb like they did in Florida (they gave them half of their request and they have plenty stockpiled) the Feds are interfering with healthcare to start. If this is Tennessee’s reply to the same situation while it’s political tit for tat and can understand I still don’t like it.

Same with Florida and vax mandates. Both wrong independently but focus that anger at the party(not referring to d or r) that pushed that bad policy initially.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Same with Florida and vax mandates. Both wrong independently but focus that anger at the party(not referring to d or r) that pushed that bad policy initially.

So actually I agree with the states pushing back and not allowing the Feds to mandate vaccines on private employers, but if a private employer chooses to do so I think they should have a lot of latitude to do so. The Florida fine model is directly interfering with private employers. The Montana model which Texas is leaning towards I like better but both still force stances on private employers.

 

[OHvol40]

How is a person not voluntarily elderly? Can a person not end their existence when young?

This is a really, really dumb thought.

 

[OHvol40]

I am unvaxxed. And it's not against medical advice. My PCP and I have had many talks about this and she has admitted there is no medical reason for me to get the vaccine. I will trust in someone with direct knowledge of my personal health rather than some making general statements.

Age is factor, but hardly a leading one. The old usually have about 4 or 5 other issues which could be eliminated or avoided if they hadnt ignored medical advice.

If we are drawing a line on medical advice, let's draw that line, wherever it falls. Because as I keep saying you are worried about compliance, and not actual health.

^^^ whines about general statements and then says “The old usually have about 4 or 5 other issues which could be eliminated or avoided if they hadnt ignored medical advice.”

 

[AthensVol2007]

I know several nurses and according to them, this disease appears to affect extremely fat people and diabetics the most negatively.

Obesity is by far and away the most cross-cutting, underlying condition. It’s something like 79% of all deaths involve obesity. That’s why the vaccination isn’t for everyone because the illness doesn’t affect everyone the same. Call it immoral, inconsiderate, deranged whatever adjective fits, but it is not my duty to protect you from a virus, via getting vaccinated, because you’re at a higher risk due to your own poor life choices or pure laziness. The same people that are driving up healthcare costs and being propped up by everyone else due to myriad avoidable (or at minimum manageable) health conditions are overwhelmingly impacting the hospitals and resources.

AAAS