Tennessee listed as one of toughest jobs for rebuilding.

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99gator said:
truth.

this is what makes the sec so tough. most fan bases won't tolerate anything but success, because at least part of their fan base remembers a time when they were on top.

there are plenty of arkansas folks who believe they should be competing for national championships
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That why we always see post on VN saying "man I miss the 90's"
 
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UT lost all of their offensive production and the D sucked donkey balls last year. On paper you can't argue with the logic. I think this is good pub. If this team shows any improvement they will be all over Butch's jock.
 
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volfanbill said:
the 2014 class excluded, where/how does the bold fit in with this team compared to the rest of the SEC?
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You're right, compared to the rest in the SEC. We've not been to great in the talent department. Overall, We have not had a recruiting class outside the top 25, since 2008 I believe.
 
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rocky top buzz said:
Only problem I have with the article - "But Jones inherits fans who still think of their program as a traditional power."

Yes, Tennessee is still a Traditional power, hence the word "tradition." Boise and Oregon are not traditional powers. Had he said "current national power" I would have understood leaving out Tennessee. But tradition is tradition and it takes more than 6 lousy years to kill that. just ask notre lame, even if they stunk up the BCS game, they were able to get back to the top with the right coach.

Poor, poor choice of words by the writer.
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Exactly. You are clearly smarter and better at written communication than the average sports writer. Of course, so is my 8 year-old. But still...good post.
 
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rocky top buzz said:
Only problem I have with the article - "But Jones inherits fans who still think of their program as a traditional power."
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Would you have felt better if he said, "But Jones inherits a traditional power but currently sucks."?

Look at the reactions in this thread to prove Maisel's point...top 10 all-time wins, top 10 program, etc. Those would be fans who still think of their program as a traditional power
 
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JAllen18 said:
You're right, compared to the rest in the SEC. We've not been to great in the talent department. Overall, We have not had a recruiting class outside the top 25, since 2008 I believe.
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when we play 8 games a year against the SEC to include Bama, Florida, UGA and USCe every year, it doesn't matter if we have top 25 recruiting classes each year if they are still average to below average SEC classes.
 
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volfanbill said:
when we play 8 games a year against the SEC to include Bama, Florida, UGA and USCe every year, it doesn't matter if we have top 25 recruiting classes each year if they are still average to below average SEC classes.
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You're correct but UT was still in games against UF, USC, and UGA last season. They just didn't win any of them for whatever reason. Personally, I think it had to do with attitude. UT needs a winning attitude and I think Butch can help.
 
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Boca Vol said:
You're correct but UT was still in games against UF, USC, and UGA last season. They just didn't win any of them for whatever reason. Personally, I think it had to do with attitude. UT needs a winning attitude and I think Butch can help.
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We were in it for a half against UF. I can't count that game. But the team that was in it in the USCe and UGA games also lost all the pieces that kept it in those games with the departures of Bray, CP, JH11, White Lightning and Rivera (since he was the one keeping us in the UGA game).
 
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Boca Vol said:
Would you have felt better if he said, "But Jones inherits a traditional power but currently sucks."?

Look at the reactions in this thread to prove Maisel's point...top 10 all-time wins, top 10 program, etc. Those would be fans who still think of their program as a traditional power
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You're missing the point. The article is written as to imply Tennessee is NOT a traditional power; I am making the point that Tennessee IS a traditional power. This fan base is not crazy to think that Tennessee can and should be able to compete in the SEC, based on past performance (aka Tradition)

And yes, had he said something along the lines of "A traditional power that has fallen off the map in recent years," that would have been fine.
 
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just because we were a traditional power doesn't mean we are one now. When was our last conference Championship? When was our last BCS Bowl? When was our last bowl win? I see no way you can look at Tennessee's accomplishments of this century and consider ourselves a traditional power. we haven't been powerful since 2001. That was over a decade ago.
 
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traditional is time honored and we are a time honored or traditional power that has hit a rough patch. 6-7 years of poor play doesn't take that away.
 
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rocky top buzz said:
You're missing the point. The article is written as to imply Tennessee is NOT a traditional power; I am making the point that Tennessee IS a traditional power. This fan base is not crazy to think that Tennessee can and should be able to compete in the SEC, based on past performance (aka Tradition)

And yes, had he said something along the lines of "A traditional power that has fallen off the map in recent years," that would have been fine.
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Just how far are you going back? UT is closing going on 15 years since they've put a trophy in the case.

volfanbill said:
just because we were a traditional power doesn't mean we are one now. When was our last conference Championship? When was our last BCS Bowl? When was our last bowl win? I see no way you can look at Tennessee's accomplishments of this century and consider ourselves a traditional power. we haven't been powerful since 2001. That was over a decade ago.
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This!
 
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Spartacavolus said:
traditional is time honored and we are a time honored or traditional power that has hit a rough patch. 6-7 years of poor play doesn't take that away.
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when do poor results take over the past? there was a time when Harvard and Yale were the best of the best in college football. I would guess the fan base of a school the last to get it. Do you think kids outside TN think we are relevant?
 
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Spartacavolus said:
traditional is time honored and we are a time honored or traditional power that has hit a rough patch. 6-7 years of poor play doesn't take that away.
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It's been 11 years since Tennessee won more than 10 games. To pretend like we matter in the grand landscape of college football anymore is laughable. It sucks, but it's reality. Every time college football gets brought up I get asked what happened. 15 years without a conference title and only two conference title games gives a rather large mark of irreverence to those not wearing Tennessee orange.
 
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volfanbill said:
It's been 11 years since Tennessee won more than 10 games. To pretend like we matter in the grand landscape of college football anymore is laughable. It sucks, but it's reality. Every time college football gets brought up I get asked what happened. 15 years without a conference title and only two conference title games gives a rather large mark of irreverence to those not wearing Tennessee orange.
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Tradition takes much longer than 15 years to build chief.
 
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I think everyone understands the job ahead of CBJ. This year will be tough, no doubt. His job has started with recruiting talent, and he has done a dang fine job, thus far. It will take time, and like his predecessor, he will get 3 years or so to prove he can succeed. I will say this: his recruiting and his engagement with the program and fans leads me to believe that he is off to a good start.
 
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volfanhill said:
when do poor results take over the past? there was a time when Harvard and Yale were the best of the best in college football. I would guess the fan base of a school the last to get it. Do you think kids outside TN think we are relevant?
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If the only argument you have is tradition then all programs should bow to Princeton and Rutgers....don't see that happening.
 
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Boca Vol said:
If the only argument you have is tradition then all programs should bow to Princeton and Rutgers....don't see that happening.
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...because Princeton and Rutgers are among the top 10 all-time winningest programs in the history of college football?
 
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EnglewoodVol said:
Tradition takes much longer than 15 years to build chief.
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But no one not wearing orange remembers or cares about the tradition of fifteen-twenty years ago. They care about what the Floridas, Alabamas, Oregons, USCs and tOSUs have done in those last fifteen-twenty years
 
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