Tennessee listed as one of toughest jobs for rebuilding.

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UT's record against Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss, Florida, and Georgia from 1938-present is 124-128-10. This is a shocking stat for a "traditional power" wouldn't you say? The writer is telling the truth. Tennessee has had 2 stretches of time when they were REALLY good. When African Americans weren't allowed to play, and during the 90s/early 2000s when the SEC was a tumultuous landscape to say the least, and we had the consistency of Fulmer. I love Tennessee but be realistic ya'll
 
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CoachLogan74 said:
UT's record against Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss, Florida, and Georgia from 1938-present is 124-128-10. This is a shocking stat for a "traditional power" wouldn't you say? The writer is telling the truth. Tennessee has had 2 stretches of time when they were REALLY good. When African Americans weren't allowed to play, and during the 90s/early 2000s when the SEC was a tumultuous landscape to say the least, and we had the consistency of Fulmer. I love Tennessee but be realistic ya'll
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Considering that's basically .500 in the context of a 75 year stretch against some very tough programs, I think most "traditional powers" would do well to emulate that.
 
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As far as the OP goes, I'd say pretty much any SEC job that isn't currently one of the conference's best programs is a very tough rebuild for obvious reasons...
 
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volfanbill said:
But no one not wearing orange remembers or cares about the tradition of fifteen-twenty years ago. They care about what the Floridas, Alabamas, Oregons, USCs and tOSUs have done in those last fifteen-twenty years
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National Title in 98? 14 years ago. And still relevant until -----2005. 7 years of mediocrity; that's all. And that will BE all.
 
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Mr Maisel is correct.

Coach Jones is used to winning. Tennessee's fans expect to win, even in the SEC where it's hard...boo hoo. We've had a HOF coach who lost his edge, a west coast numbnut who bolted, and a coach with a NC pedigree who couldn't cut it. The sec is where a coach has to prove he's got the stones to be the best. Tennessee can provide em with everything he needs to do just that.
 
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volfanbill said:
What did Maisel write or say that wasn't true?
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Oh he said the truth, it's the omission of some key points that pisses me off.

Largest recruiting budget in NCAA.

Best facilities in the world.

High profile alumni that will help at any moment.

Let's not act like the resources aren't there for a return to greatness. The article insinuates that Colorado is an easier place to return to greatness. Therefore, IM can suck it.
 
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volfanbill said:
But no one not wearing orange remembers or cares about the tradition of fifteen-twenty years ago. They care about what the Floridas, Alabamas, Oregons, USCs and tOSUs have done in those last fifteen-twenty years
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But the article WAS talking about the people wearing orange. If you want to make a point that the young people committing today weren't alive for those times that's fine, but don't change what the article was saying just to fit an argument you want to make.
 
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orangepridenation said:
Considering that's basically .500 in the context of a 75 year stretch against some very tough programs, I think most "traditional powers" would do well to emulate that.
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Florida is 9 games above .500 against that same group (swapping Tennessee for Florida) in that time frame and Florida is supposed to be historically irrelevant
 
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volfanbill said:
And next season will be fifteen. How exactly were we relevant since? Losing sec title games?
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I'll take a crack at it.

100k+ stadium.
Largest recruiting budget in ncaa.
Top of the line facilities.
Fan support.

We're gauging relevancy in the support that is provided...the rooted tradition of 100 plus years...the expectation of our fans.
 
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there are twenty different schools that would like to lay claim to best facilities in the world. There are hundreds of NCAA institutions with high profile alumni that will help at any moment. We're low on funds yet we have to spend a fortune on recruiting in order to be successful.

This thread is what a Bama board would have looked like in the late 90s/early 00s trying to pretend like the Bear Bryant days still meant something today.
 
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gnm53108 said:
I'll take a crack at it.

100k+ stadium.
Largest recruiting budget in ncaa.
Top of the line facilities.
Fan support.

We're gauging relevancy in the support that is provided...the rooted tradition of 100 plus years...the expectation of our fans.
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so basically, exactly what Maisel stated? The fans still expect greatness even though that hasn't happened in quite some time?
 
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volfanbill said:
there are twenty different schools that would like to lay claim to best facilities in the world. There are hundreds of NCAA institutions with high profile alumni that will help at any moment. We're low on funds yet we have to spend a fortune on recruiting in order to be successful.

This thread is what a Bama board would have looked like in the late 90s/early 00s trying to pretend like the Bear Bryant days still meant something today.
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The point is Bill, if you find the right coach YOU WILL WIN HERE.
 
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EnglewoodVol said:
But the article WAS talking about the people wearing orange. If you want to make a point that the young people committing today weren't alive for those times that's fine, but don't change what the article was saying just to fit an argument you want to make.
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ummm, exactly. The people wearing orange seem to think we're better than results have indicated since 2007 (according to Maisel, although I'd argue a lot further back). Thus making Jones' job that much harder.
 
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Not sure why anyone really cares about the writer or the article. Win some games and the issue is irrelevant.
 
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volatil said:
The point is Bill, if you find the right coach YOU WILL WIN HERE.
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duh. Just like Bama found Saban. I've shown plenty of support for Jones on this board and elsewhere, I think he's doing a great job so far. But the schedule for next year, the lack of success the past few years, fan expectations and the talent that Jones' inherits definitely merits the writeup that Maisel gave.
 
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volatil said:
Oh he said the truth, it's the omission of some key points that pisses me off.

Largest recruiting budget in NCAA.

Best facilities in the world.

High profile alumni that will help at any moment.

Let's not act like the resources aren't there for a return to greatness. The article insinuates that Colorado is an easier place to return to greatness. Therefore, IM can suck it.
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The article was very frank and clear about what it was trying to communicate.

There are different kinds of tough jobs in college football. MacIntyre is starting from the bottom up. But his biggest problems are within the football building. There is no outside pressure -- Colorado fans shed contempt a long time ago for the relative comfort of apathy. The minute that Colorado shows any life, the fans may come back.

Butch Jones doesn't have that luxury at Tennessee.
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What's so hard to comprehend, per his point? He was blatant in making the point that Colorado is at the bottom, starting from scratch. He was blatant in the fact that UT is not. He was blatant in that the difference in difficulty is the high expectations at UT.

It wasn't a slight. It wasn't a BS dig. It was a true statement.
 
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