Tennessee listed as one of toughest jobs for rebuilding.

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I don't see what the big controversy is? I read/heard the truth in the article/interview. CBJ has a tough road ahead of him and he is facing an hostile fan base that expects to compete for titles every year. Um, yep. If we don't go to a bowl next year, he will get crap from every end...regardless of the crazy schedule that the Vols have to battle through, all while learning a new scheme. Personally, I would rather ESPN be talking about how tough the road ahead is and CBJ surprise with marginal success instead of ESPN thinking it's a cake walk and us being disappointed by a 7 win season.
 
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volfanbill said:
What did Maisel write or say that wasn't true?
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For one Maisel said that Gary Andersen was "a few rungs above Jones on the success ladder"...based on what? Not on record. Not on championships. Not on job offers. Not on pay. Maisel doesn't even try to explain the comment either. Looks like it was just another opportunity for him to take a jab at UT.

Also, I love how they teased the article by showing pics of Butch Jones and headlining it like it was an article about him and other coaches with new jobs, but instead it's just a piece about McIntyre with a paragraph taking shots at UT.
 
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JohnWardForever said:
Maisel is an Ala alum----IIRC. Originally from Mobile.
So, he is going to add all the negatives in he can.
If not bama-----Vandy.
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Good grief. This fan base looks for anything to whine and complain about. He went to Stanford. I think he covered the Tide at some point but he isn't an alumnus.
 
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rocky top buzz said:
Only problem I have with the article - "But Jones inherits fans who still think of their program as a traditional power."

Yes, Tennessee is still a Traditional power, hence the word "tradition." Boise and Oregon are not traditional powers. Had he said "current national power" I would have understood leaving out Tennessee. But tradition is tradition and it takes more than 6 lousy years to kill that. just ask notre lame, even if they stunk up the BCS game, they were able to get back to the top with the right coach.

Poor, poor choice of words by the writer.
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I like your revision...and choice of words to describe it.

There's no doubt this was a tough undertaking for anyone to walk into...but CBJ had the guts to do it, and like someone said...is making it look not so tough. I reall like our situation now. Shame on me for not believing at first.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Good grief. This fan base looks for anything to whine and complain about. He went to Stanford. I think he covered the Tide at some point but he isn't an alumnus.
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Entire family is from Mobile. All have sky boxes at Bryant Denny. Anything else you want to know? I know them WELL.
 
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Tennessee isn't an easy rebuilding job, but it's mostly because the SEC is so tough. It's not because we've fallen off the map, as many people claim.

Tennessee can still can get into the living room of most of the top recruits in the nation, which says the brand still has a lot of value. We still have one of the greatest stadiums in all of college football. We still have some of the best amenities of all D-1 schools. We're not that different from Alabama in the mid 00's.

Colorado is definitely the most difficult rebuilding job. CU used to be relevant, but they've been one of the worst BCS-conference schools over the past six years. I imagine that McIntyre will have difficulty recruiting there until recruits see at least a few years of progress.

Tennessee has struggled through most of the past eight years, but we've struggled with 7-6 and 5-7 seasons; not with 1-11 and 2-10 seasons, and we play in a tougher conference than CU. The last time CU even had a winning season was in 2005 under Gary Barnett when they went 7-5.

Tennessee is a tough rebuilding job, but all rebuilding jobs are tough. As far as things go, we still have a lot of the advantages we had when we were at the top of the world in the late 90's. I think there's a good reason Butch choose UT over a place like CU, which could take 5-10 years of building up to conceivably get back to the level it was at in the early 90's and early 00's.
 
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oregonvol said:
For one Maisel said that Gary Andersen was "a few rungs above Jones on the success ladder"...based on what? Not on record. Not on championships. Not on job offers. Not on pay. Maisel doesn't even try to explain the comment either. Looks like it was just another opportunity for him to take a jab at UT.

Also, I love how they teased the article by showing pics of Butch Jones and headlining it like it was an article about him and other coaches with new jobs, but instead it's just a piece about McIntyre with a paragraph taking shots at UT.
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He's referring to the recent success of Wisconsin, the job Andersen took, not Andersen himself.
 
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volfanbill said:
He's referring to the recent success of Wisconsin, the job Andersen took, not Andersen himself.
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There is no evidence in the article to confirm this. And why would the previous success of the program mean that Andersen is more successful? Maisel didn't write that the program was more successful (and, traditionally, they haven't been), he said that the coach was. Just seems like another pathetic attempt to cast UT/Jones in a negative light.
 
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oregonvol said:
For one Maisel said that Gary Andersen was "a few rungs above Jones on the success ladder"...based on what? Not on record. Not on championships. Not on job offers. Not on pay. Maisel doesn't even try to explain the comment either. Looks like it was just another opportunity for him to take a jab at UT.

Also, I love how they teased the article by showing pics of Butch Jones and headlining it like it was an article about him and other coaches with new jobs, but instead it's just a piece about McIntyre with a paragraph taking shots at UT.
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Oregon? Is that you defending Butch? Very good argument in his defense. Nice to have you on this side.
 
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oregonvol said:
There is no evidence in the article to confirm this. And why would the previous success of the program mean that Andersen is more successful? Maisel didn't write that the program was more successful (and, traditionally, they haven't been), he said that the coach was. Just seems like another pathetic attempt to cast UT/Jones in a negative light.
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Butch Jones doesn't have that luxury at Tennessee. Jones won at Central Michigan and he won at Cincinnati (50-27, .649). But Jones inherits fans who still think of their program as a traditional power, even as the Volunteers haven't won more than seven games since 2007. Not only that, a Tennessee team playing under its fourth head coach in six seasons faces a schedule with five top-10 teams (at Oregon, at Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, at Alabama).

But Jones had his choice. He said no to Colorado before he said yes to Tennessee.

A few rungs above Jones on the success ladder is Gary Andersen at Wisconsin. Andersen takes over a program that has won three consecutive Big Ten championships and played in three consecutive Rose Bowls. While the Badgers can improve -- they went 8-6 in 2012 -- there's a lot more room below than above.
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He describes the position Tennessee is in and then the position Wisconsin is in. This isn't an attack on Jones or a compliment on Gary Andersen, or vice versa. Both inherit difficult challenges ahead of them. It's ludicrous to pretend like Butch Jones doesn't have a large uphill battle. Nowhere does Mansiel mention that Butch will fail (conversely he doesn't mention he will succeed), he is just talking about how big the obstacle in front of each coach is. Jones' obstacle on Rocky Top is certainly one of the more difficult in the nation for first year coaches at a university.
 
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oregonvol said:
There is no evidence in the article to confirm this. And why would the previous success of the program mean that Andersen is more successful? Maisel didn't write that the program was more successful (and, traditionally, they haven't been), he said that the coach was. Just seems like another pathetic attempt to cast UT/Jones in a negative light.
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I think the context of the article makes it fairly clear that's what Maisel means.

Add to that the fact he begins with MacIntyre (the bottom at Colorado), moves to Jones (taking over the fallen power with tons of pressure but also potential), and finishes with Andersen at Wisconsin (Rose Bowls X3)...explaining the 'success ladder' comment.

Look at his opener about Dirty Jobs. He's comparing the jobs each man took (MacIntyre-a wasteland, Jones- high degree of difficulty in a monster league w/ impatient/irrational fans, and Andersen-team with mounds of recent success).
 
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volatil said:
Oh he said the truth, it's the omission of some key points that pisses me off.

Largest recruiting budget in NCAA.

Best facilities in the world.

High profile alumni that will help at any moment.

Let's not act like the resources aren't there for a return to greatness. The article insinuates that Colorado is an easier place to return to greatness. Therefore, IM can suck it.
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the recruiting budget is where it is at bc it is tough to recruit here...a way to hopefuly address a disadvantage

our facilities are great but are on par witg what several other huge programs are building and the ones who built before us are not exactly shabby

all big universities have big time boosters and some have ones willing to spend through the nose...see orgeon amd ok state
 
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TNRazor said:
Jones is making it look easy, how many 5 and 7 teams from last year have a top 6 recruiting class going.
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Jones is doing great.

As for recruiting success, I think the key difference is that it is a decent year for Tennessee recruits.

Hopefully, he can sell PT and get some of the studs out of Ga, and of course hold onto the recruits UT has.
 
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I can see why we would be listed as one, since Phil Fulmer left we have been in a hole. Weve had Kiffin and Dooley,I wasnt a fan of them and neither done us any good at all. Wish them the best but glad they are gone.
Now, onto CBJ this guy has a phenomenal resume from Central Michingan and Cincinatti. I am.very impressed with his attitude towards football, he has passion, desire, and love. He wants to win and be successful, he beleives in.his players! Tennessee is by far.one of the hardest rebuilding jobs....with CBJ I firmly beleive he will take us.back to our winning ways! Tennessee Football is A Way of Life!!!!
 
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immyaxl said:
Nothing said above is untrue! Jones will need 3 years to get the Vols back in the mix. The SEC is only getting tougher!
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Won't take 3 years to get "back in the mix". We at UT are quite familiar with "the mix". You at Vandy wouldn't know "the mix" if it bit you on your trust fund.

Other than the general condescending tone of the article, the thing I don't agree with is the line about fans still considering UT a traditional power. Well, it's indisputable... we are a traditional power. It's inarguable. What we are currently is a traditional power in a rare down period due to some very bad administrative management and coaching hires. The down period will be ending soon. Maybe that's why the 4 or 5 fans at Vandy are crowing so quick and so often without a good reason to do so .... you gotta get your shot in while you can and you know it.
 
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KBVol said:
Won't take 3 years to get "back in the mix". We at UT are quite familiar with "the mix". You at Vandy wouldn't know "the mix" if it bit you on your trust fund.

Other than the general condescending tone of the article, the thing I don't agree with is the line about fans still considering UT a traditional power. Well, it's indisputable... we are a traditional power. It's inarguable. What we are currently is a traditional power in a rare down period due to some very bad administrative management and coaching hires. The down period will be ending soon. Maybe that's why the 4 or 5 fans at Vandy are crowing so quick and so often without a good reason to do so .... you gotta get your shot in while you can and you know it.
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True this is the worst Tennessee has been in my lifetime! I have no doubt they will get back to competing for SEC titles! Vandy has gone from the cellar to middle of the pack really quick. They also did it with players who where not even offered scholarships from other SEC schools! They've had back to back top 30 recruiting classes, thats never happened before! Talent wise Vandy will be better than ever!:rock:
 
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My advice to the true Vanderbilt loyalists would be to enjoy this ride while you can; it will be short-lived. If Franklin is as good as both you and he believe him to be, he will not be there long; he most certainly will use Vandy as a stepping stone to better opportunities.
 
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immyaxl said:
True this is the worst Tennessee has been in my lifetime! I have no doubt they will get back to competing for SEC titles! Vandy has gone from the cellar to middle of the pack really quick. They also did it with players who where not even offered scholarships from other SEC schools! They've had back to back top 30 recruiting classes, thats never happened before! Talent wise Vandy will be better than ever!:rock:
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I'll give you this, you're an optimistic sort. Vandy had, based on their history, an incredibly historic year last season. But you got your cart about 6 furlongs ahead of your horse. You had 1, 1! year "in the middle of the pack" last year, as you say. Gotta do a helluva lot more than that before you can say you're outta the cellar chief. Hang on for dear life to that anchor when it drops back where it belongs.

Of course, your 82nd ranked schedule this year can't hurt, but that's for another thread.
 
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